The Official Star Wars Saga Thread

shinmattiathekaiju · Post by **shinmattiathekaiju** » Sun May 06, 2012 5:41 am

Also Grievous was good.

Post by **GodzillavsZilla** » Sun May 06, 2012 1:47 pm

Tyler wrote:
shinmattiathekaiju wrote:Also Grievous was good.
In the cartoon...

And the CGI show and Revenge of the Sith when he was in action

Huan_of_Valinor · Post by **Huan_of_Valinor** » Sun May 06, 2012 1:58 pm

GodzillavsZilla wrote:
Tyler wrote:
shinmattiathekaiju wrote:Also Grievous was good.
In the cartoon...
And the CGI show and Revenge of the Sith when he was in action

...he was in action in Revenge of the Sith? i seem to remember him running at every possible opportunity, and he lost to a jedi who thought kicking a metal leg was a good idea. the phrase "wasted potental" comes to mind

i don't know anything about the CGI show tho, have they potrayed Grievous as a legitimate Jedi slayer/threat in that?

The H-Man · Post by **The H-Man** » Sun May 06, 2012 5:59 pm

I think Lucas dropped the ball on Grevious. He was supposed to be this terrifying creature, but he honestly is almost comical with that cough of his.

Legionmaster · Post by **Legionmaster** » Sun May 06, 2012 6:09 pm

The H-Man wrote:I think Lucas dropped the ball on Grevious. He was supposed to be this terrifying creature, but he honestly is almost comical with that cough of his.

If you were only eyes, brain, heart, and lungs, you'd probably cough a lot too.

GojiFan · Post by **GojiFan** » Sun May 06, 2012 6:12 pm

Legionmaster wrote:
The H-Man wrote:I think Lucas dropped the ball on Grevious. He was supposed to be this terrifying creature, but he honestly is almost comical with that cough of his.
If you were only eyes, brain, heart, and lungs, you'd probably cough a lot too.

He also got injured by Mace Windu just before the opening sequence of RotS.

RedZillaKing · Post by **RedZillaKing** » Sun May 06, 2012 6:26 pm

I don't buy that Mace injured him. First of all there's two explanations out there for it. One was that Mace threw a STAP at him (comics). The other was that Mace just force crushed his insides. However the reason he really coughs is because Lucas wanted him to be a sort of prototype for the Tech that keeps Vader alive.

miguelnuva · Post by **miguelnuva** » Sun May 06, 2012 6:33 pm

RedZillaKing wrote:. However the reason he really coughs is because Lucas wanted him to be a sort of prototype for the Tech that keeps Vader alive.

This is the correct reason. The CGI show has found a balance between cartoon Grievous and ROTS Grievous though.

GojiFan · Post by **GojiFan** » Sun May 06, 2012 7:34 pm

RedZillaKing wrote:I don't buy that Mace injured him. First of all there's two explanations out there for it. One was that Mace threw a STAP at him (comics). The other was that Mace just force crushed his insides. However the reason he really coughs is because Lucas wanted him to be a sort of prototype for the Tech that keeps Vader alive.

He did always cough a bit, but it is made quite clear through the various films or whatever that he was substantially injured by Windu prior to the space battle seen in episode 3.

JVM · Post by **JVM** » Sun May 06, 2012 9:46 pm

CGI show has been mixed on Grievous. Characterization-wise, he's in between - still a bit of a pussy, but a badass when fighting. Also, the cough is still there but toned down.

But his design in the show is one of the worse ones, IMO.

Bret · Post by **Bret** » Mon May 07, 2012 1:05 am

Grevious was a real badass in those Star Wars shorts that CN used to show. This was back in 05.

RedZillaKing · Post by **RedZillaKing** » Mon May 07, 2012 2:38 am

GojiFan wrote:
RedZillaKing wrote:I don't buy that Mace injured him. First of all there's two explanations out there for it. One was that Mace threw a STAP at him (comics). The other was that Mace just force crushed his insides. However the reason he really coughs is because Lucas wanted him to be a sort of prototype for the Tech that keeps Vader alive.
He did always cough a bit, but it is made quite clear through the various films or whatever that he was substantially injured by Windu prior to the space battle seen in episode 3.

What films? I've only seen EU stuff and I don't even consider that canon by any stretch. I sure as hell don't consider the microseries anything close to film canon. It isn't mentioned in the actual films or the actual Clone Wars CGI series so how could it be canonical?

Legionmaster · Post by **Legionmaster** » Mon May 07, 2012 5:23 am

RedZillaKing wrote:I sure as hell don't consider the microseries anything close to film canon. It isn't mentioned in the actual films or the actual Clone Wars CGI series so how could it be canonical?

Those stories were intended to bridge the gap between Attack and Revenge. We get the explanation as to why Anakin looks different now, the entire setup for where Revenge begins (the kidnapping of Palpatine), and general "this is what the Clone War looks like" stuff.

And I don't know where people get the idea that Grievous is a pussy. If you're the general of a revolutionary force and your navy gets splattered across a solar system by the government you're revolting against, it's pretty advisable to get the fudge out of there and not get murdered. He's not a wimp, he's a slippery survivor.

o.supreme · Post by **o.supreme** » Mon May 07, 2012 6:34 am

RedZillaKing wrote: I've only seen EU stuff and I don't even consider that canon by any stretch. I sure as hell don't consider the microseries anything close to film canon. It isn't mentioned in the actual films or the actual Clone Wars CGI series so how could it be canonical?

Uhm... you do know that the current CG series has all its animaiton designs based on the Micro series right?? The creators of the current CW series have worked very hard not to counteract anything that happened in the Microseries because they (and Lucas) consider it canon as well. Unfortunately it dosen't matter what you and I think, its their fictional universe, and they can pretty much do what they want. I dont like some of the stories told, but they are what they are. I cant tell anyone they didn't happen, or dont count just because I dont like them. I ust ignore them unless the subject comes up. I just cant wait until the current series ends. I wonder if they will try to reconcile the differences between Micro seies episode #25, and the events of the novel "Labrynth of Evil". Many of the characters are the same, but the order of events preceeding "Episode III" are slightly different.

RedZillaKing · Post by **RedZillaKing** » Mon May 07, 2012 6:58 am

Lol. We have three different sources telling three different stories that contradict each other- all supposedly leading up to yhe beginning of episode III. The characters in the microseries are incredibly exagerrated (Grievous running up and down walls, Mace Windu Force fuing a battalion of SBDs to scrap LMAO), whereas the ones in the comic book and novel are truer to their film counterparts. If I was going to go with anything as "canon" (and what a soft canon it is) I'd go with the comics.

I honestly laugh at the EU depictions of Jedi. They're like gods with magical laser sticks that can do anything! I love how Grievous is depicted on the Clone Wars CGI show. Very true to the film.

@Legionmaster- I agree.... Grievous was no fool to abandon ship. Was he going to die for a bunch of Battle Droids? Who he hates, btw.

GojiFan · Post by **GojiFan** » Mon May 07, 2012 8:19 am

RedZillaKing wrote:If I was going to go with anything as "canon" (and what a soft canon it is) I'd go with the comics.

Again, it does matter that you think it is canon. Lucas has said the micro series IS canon. Also, the novel "Labyrinth of Evil" was released before the last season of the micro-series (which had Lucas' blessing). Some of what happens in the series is hokey. Mace was known however to have incredible use of the force involving hand-to-hand combat and shatter points. He had hit Kar Vastor, a practitioner of Teras Kasi, six times before he could even blink. Anyways, the events of the last season have been stated to lead directly into the the beginning of Episode III. Trying to say they are not canon or less canon than some novels when Lucas has said otherwise is pointless.

RedZillaKing · Post by **RedZillaKing** » Mon May 07, 2012 8:40 am

Citation or it didn't happen.

LOL Mace was never shown doing anything out of the ordinary (for a Jedi) in the films.

Legionmaster · Post by **Legionmaster** » Mon May 07, 2012 8:45 am

RedZillaKing wrote:LOL Mace was never shown doing anything out of the ordinary (for a Jedi) in the films.

Be black.

+1 for me.

Goji · Post by **Goji** » Mon May 07, 2012 8:48 am

Mace is a Jedi Master...seeing him go ape shit wasn't "out of the ordinary" at all, IMO.

By using animation as opposed to live action, Lucasfilm can get away with more 'exaggerated' action sequences. None of it is over the top, and represents what the characters are capable of. I mean, they're basically superhuman..I just don't quite understand where you're coming from, Red. (and I mean that in the nicest way possible. No snark intended).

RedZillaKing · Post by **RedZillaKing** » Mon May 07, 2012 8:55 am

@Legionmaster- Adi Gallia....

@Goji- no snarkiness detected man. No Jedi was ever seen displaying the kind of ridiculous superhuman powers of their animated counterparts in the films. I think that sequence with Mace was far beyond exaggeration though. Not even when the fate of the Republic was in the balance did he Force Fu Palpatine and his office to shreds.

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