General movies/Hollywood thread.

For the discussion of movies and TV shows not distributed by Toho.
User avatar
GodzillaFan1990's
Keizer
Posts: 9529
Joined: Sat Jan 02, 2016 1:11 pm
Location: Canada
Contact:

Re: General movies/Hollywood thread.

Postby GodzillaFan1990's » Sat Jul 06, 2019 5:51 am

Spirit Ghidorah 2010 wrote:
I get it, them staying true to the source material is a big deal for some people, scratch that, a lot of people.


If they really wanted the movie to stay true to the source material, then everytime Ariel takes a step in her new legs, it'd feels like getting sliced open by razors. And the prince ends up marrying someone else. And have Ariel's sisters encourage her to assassinate the prince in his sleep to get her tail back. And have Ariel dying and dissolving into seafoam.

Like the original story intended.

Hey, hey, hey while were at it lets have Quasimodo cradling Esmeralda's corpse starving himself to death and years later men finding their skeletal remains.

Or Pocahontas dying of disease.

Hercules driven by madness by Hera killing his wife and children in the process then killing himself by making a pyre from wearing this shirt drenched in poison!

User avatar
Terasawa
G-Force Lieutenant
Posts: 2065
Joined: Tue Jun 07, 2011 10:06 am

Re: General movies/Hollywood thread.

Postby Terasawa » Sat Jul 06, 2019 6:05 am

If the character’s race doesn’t matter then cast the best performer for the role. It’s that simple.
-- 寺沢 --
YouTube
Save All Dubs

Image

User avatar
GodzillaFan1990's
Keizer
Posts: 9529
Joined: Sat Jan 02, 2016 1:11 pm
Location: Canada
Contact:

Re: General movies/Hollywood thread.

Postby GodzillaFan1990's » Sat Jul 06, 2019 6:13 am

One thing I'll never honestly get is why and what the point is in racewashing characters in adaptions based on their source materials. Who the skreeonk thought it was a good idea to make Johnny Storm black and an adoptive sibling to Susan Storm? :?

What would had that lead to? What was the point in that?

What is Disney trying to prove here making Ariel black?
Last edited by GodzillaFan1990's on Sat Jul 06, 2019 6:26 am, edited 3 times in total.

User avatar
LSD Jellyfish
Kwaidan
Posts: 6365
Joined: Fri Jan 23, 2015 11:57 pm
Location: 富士山

Re: General movies/Hollywood thread.

Postby LSD Jellyfish » Sat Jul 06, 2019 6:15 am

GodzillaFan1990's wrote:One think I'll never honestly get is why and what the point is in racewashing characters in adaptions based on their source materials. Who the skreeonk thought it was a good idea to make Johnny Storm black and an adoptive sibling to Susan Storm? :?

What would had that lead to? What was the point in that?

What is Disney trying to prove here making Ariel black?

I don’t think they’re trying to prove anything. They probably liked the actress and wanted to give her the role? Her being black doesn’t detract or benefit from the film at all, minus maybe giving some little girls a different perspective. It’s really a non issue.
_JNavs_ wrote:The MV is like cheap imitation crabmeat, it tastes good, but it isn't real, while Shin is kino peak Japanese performance.

Rodan95 wrote:The Shobijin are sat on by a fatass explorer and killed. Mothra is pissed and destroys Japan.

User avatar
GodzillaFan1990's
Keizer
Posts: 9529
Joined: Sat Jan 02, 2016 1:11 pm
Location: Canada
Contact:

Re: General movies/Hollywood thread.

Postby GodzillaFan1990's » Sat Jul 06, 2019 6:34 am

LSD Jellyfish wrote:minus maybe giving some little girls a different perspective.

You mean also the same movie that has a terrible moral teaching one its okay to marry a guy you barely even know and actually getting away with it in the end?

Great role model for little girls y'all!
Last edited by GodzillaFan1990's on Sat Jul 06, 2019 6:37 am, edited 2 times in total.

User avatar
Terasawa
G-Force Lieutenant
Posts: 2065
Joined: Tue Jun 07, 2011 10:06 am

Re: General movies/Hollywood thread.

Postby Terasawa » Sat Jul 06, 2019 6:40 am

GodzillaFan1990's wrote:What would had that lead to? What was the point in that?

What is Disney trying to prove here making Ariel black?


Terasawa wrote:If the character’s race doesn’t matter then cast the best performer for the role. It’s that simple.
-- 寺沢 --
YouTube
Save All Dubs

Image

User avatar
Kaiju-King42
Kwaidan
Posts: 5768
Joined: Mon Dec 19, 2011 10:34 pm
Location: Monster Island

Re: General movies/Hollywood thread.

Postby Kaiju-King42 » Sat Jul 06, 2019 7:29 am

GodzillaFan1990's wrote:
LSD Jellyfish wrote:minus maybe giving some little girls a different perspective.

You mean also the same movie that has a terrible moral teaching one its okay to marry a guy you barely even know and actually getting away with it in the end?

Great role model for little girls y'all!


What does this have to do with the character's skin color?
Godzillian wrote:
Godzilla21 wrote:What is up with the American trope of hide the monster?

Jaws happened


ernesth100 wrote:
Ryguy wrote:When the new director is announced, I guarantee this fanbase will be torn through the middle...

We're always split down the middle. TK is like a giant buttcrack.


Anno wrote:never forget tadpole :godzilla:




Online
User avatar
eabaker
Seatopian Daikaiju
Posts: 11150
Joined: Tue Aug 21, 2012 6:16 pm
Location: Los Angeles, CA

Re: General movies/Hollywood thread.

Postby eabaker » Sat Jul 06, 2019 9:57 am

GodzillaFan1990's wrote:
KManX89 wrote:And Hollywood racewashing continues, only this time, Disney cast a black chick to play Ariel in the live action My Little Mermaid movie: a chick by the name of Halle Bailey (not Halle Berry).

Next thing you know it the live-action Pinocchio movie will be removing Jiminey Cricket because they want Pinocchio to be independent and prove himself on his own as a real boy!


So, uh, you are aware that in the original story, Pinocchio kills the Cricket pretty early on, right?
Tokyo, a smoldering memorial to the unknown, an unknown which at this very moment still prevails and could at any time lash out with its terrible destruction anywhere else in the world.

User avatar
Spirit Ghidorah 2010
Kwaidan
Posts: 5825
Joined: Sun Jul 25, 2010 11:43 am
Location: AWACS Long Caster
Contact:

Re: General movies/Hollywood thread.

Postby Spirit Ghidorah 2010 » Sat Jul 06, 2019 10:11 am

GodzillaFan1990's wrote: What is Disney trying to prove here making Ariel black?

Maybe they're trying to prove that insecure manchildren will shriek bloody murder at anything even remotely different.

In which case, they certainly accomplished that.
Herpy Derpy Doo

TK's Resident Physician

goji89 wrote:Guess I'll leave, this place isn't what it used to be.


#Pro-Choice

User avatar
_JNavs_
E.S.P.Spy
Posts: 5280
Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:59 pm
Location: ニューヨーク

Re: General movies/Hollywood thread.

Postby _JNavs_ » Sat Jul 06, 2019 10:14 am

^ Seems like that's Disney's only goal as of 2013- onwards.


Sadly.
Last edited by _JNavs_ on Sat Jul 06, 2019 10:15 am, edited 2 times in total.
Image
Sith Apprentice.

User avatar
GodzillaFan1990's
Keizer
Posts: 9529
Joined: Sat Jan 02, 2016 1:11 pm
Location: Canada
Contact:

Re: General movies/Hollywood thread.

Postby GodzillaFan1990's » Sat Jul 06, 2019 10:18 am

Spirit Ghidorah 2010 wrote:Maybe they're trying to prove that insecure manchildren will shriek bloody murder at anything even remotely different.

In which case, they certainly accomplished that.

Yup says the guy who baits others with his comments for fun with nothing better else to do that can otherwise obviously just ignore. But obviously you don't even have the mental capability to do that to begin with. ;)
Last edited by GodzillaFan1990's on Sat Jul 06, 2019 10:26 am, edited 5 times in total.

User avatar
Greyshot151
Applebee's Manager
Posts: 2370
Joined: Tue Feb 01, 2011 5:31 pm
Location: Texas

Re: General movies/Hollywood thread.

Postby Greyshot151 » Sat Jul 06, 2019 10:58 am

OK, just going to step in here and say, guys CHILL. GodzillaFan, SpiritGhidorah, baiting and flaming others any more will get another warning from me.

But to say something quick on the discussion:

Probably a good actor and they liked the role. Like, why does the race of the Little Mermaid even matter? If this was To Kill A Mockingbird, yeah, don't change the actors races as its kinda key to the story. Here, its a non-factor. Unless anyone is willing to defend the notion that mermaids, a mythical creature, CAN'T be anything but white? No, good.

Personally, I wish Lionsgate would learn from this and place Idris Elba as 007 already. IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN! :lol:
"...A great love is a lot like a good memory. When it's there, and you know it's there, but it's just out of your reach, it can be all that you think about. You can focus on it, and try to force it, but the more you do, the more you seem to push it away. But if you're patient, and you hold still, then maybe... Just maybe... It will come to you."
—Epsilon

User avatar
KManX89
G-Grasper
Posts: 1219
Joined: Sun Jun 15, 2014 4:35 pm

Re: General movies/Hollywood thread.

Postby KManX89 » Sat Jul 06, 2019 2:03 pm

LSD Jellyfish wrote:
GodzillaFan1990's wrote:One think I'll never honestly get is why and what the point is in racewashing characters in adaptions based on their source materials. Who the skreeonk thought it was a good idea to make Johnny Storm black and an adoptive sibling to Susan Storm? :?

What would had that lead to? What was the point in that?

What is Disney trying to prove here making Ariel black?

I don’t think they’re trying to prove anything. They probably liked the actress and wanted to give her the role? Her being black doesn’t detract or benefit from the film at all, minus maybe giving some little girls a different perspective. It’s really a non issue.


Except Ariel is more than just a cartoon character to many people, she's a sex symbol and many men's first fictional crush when they were young and one of the few fictional redheads to boot. A live-action remake is supposed to feel more real, and so I can see why people might want them to keep her the way she was before in that regard for reasons other than "UR RAYCEST!!!11!134!", especially with the plethora of actual black characters/characters of color for Disney to make live-action movies of. Gingers make up an even smaller portion of the population than blacks and have even less fictional reps to look up to.

I personally don't care and was never really interested in the film, anyway (or any of the Disney live-action remakes for that matter), but I can see why someone with an emotional attachment to the character as she was originally portrayed MIGHT, as with any character being race/genderswapped.
Last edited by KManX89 on Sat Jul 06, 2019 2:04 pm, edited 1 time in total.
My Game Ideas Page

~"Now I Am Become Death, the Destroyer of Worlds"

User avatar
Maritonic
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 6056
Joined: Tue Aug 16, 2016 6:26 am
Location: UberRichNewYork

Re: General movies/Hollywood thread.

Postby Maritonic » Sat Jul 06, 2019 2:46 pm

KManX89 wrote:Except Ariel is more than just a cartoon character to many people, she's a sex symbol


Please stop referring to a 16 year old fictional fishperson as a sex symbol.
Resized Image

Everything Will Proceed Cyclically

goji89 wrote:So.......are we gonna Kinkshame the skreeonking birds or what?

User avatar
Terasawa
G-Force Lieutenant
Posts: 2065
Joined: Tue Jun 07, 2011 10:06 am

Re: General movies/Hollywood thread.

Postby Terasawa » Sat Jul 06, 2019 2:48 pm

KManX89 wrote:she's a sex symbol


She's a 16 year old fictional character in a children's film.

I don't know why I'm going to continue, but...

and many men's first fictional crush when they were young


Disney doesn't care about men's fictional crushes.

A live-action remake is supposed to feel more real, and so I can see why people might want them to keep her the way she was before in that regard for reasons other than "UR RAYCEST!!!11!134!", especially with the plethora of actual black characters/characters of color for Disney to make live-action movies of.


A live action remake is primarily to make money on the very bankable nostalgia of an earlier film, itself a heavily modified adaptation of a fictional story.

Besides, the very fact that Disney has made changes to its live action adaptations of its animated films is confirmation enough that they aren't trying to make the cartoon "feel more real." That's your own projection.

Gingers make up an even smaller portion of the population than blacks and have even less fictional reps to look up to.


Not that it particularly matters in the case of who the hell Disney casts as a mermaid in a movie, but this argument is blindly ignorant of the unfortunate history of slavery, abuse, human rights violations, systemic racism, and ongoing struggles of a related nature that black people have to deal with.

Would you also say that casting a blonde actor (Daniel Craig) as James Bond was a deal breaker since all previous actors had dark hair? Isn't that unfair to little brown-haired boys who envy that character? This is essentially your argument.
-- 寺沢 --
YouTube
Save All Dubs

Image

User avatar
_JNavs_
E.S.P.Spy
Posts: 5280
Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:59 pm
Location: ニューヨーク

Re: General movies/Hollywood thread.

Postby _JNavs_ » Sat Jul 06, 2019 3:24 pm

So my deal with this essentially is, there's no actual redheaded princesses beyond Ariel. Hell, How many Irish superheroes/characters are there?

Wally West, MJ, Starfire and Ariel.... Uhhhhh.

I don't think I've seen an actual redhead take the spotlight of a big film in like, ever.

Just a Q, but weren't Irish people segregated too? Didn't they deal with slavery and immigration as well?

Anyway, I'd be game for Idris Elba as 007 James Bond. Just not Discount Halle Berry as Ariel.
Last edited by _JNavs_ on Sat Jul 06, 2019 3:28 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Image
Sith Apprentice.

User avatar
MikeSTZillak
JXSDF Technician
Posts: 941
Joined: Sun Jun 05, 2016 3:57 pm
Location: Celery
Contact:

Re: General movies/Hollywood thread.

Postby MikeSTZillak » Sat Jul 06, 2019 3:26 pm

KManX89 wrote:Except Ariel is more than just a cartoon character to many people, she's a sex symbol

Excuse me, but WHAT THE ACTUAL skreeonk.
Image


Resized Image


#IStandwithVic
#Pro-Life

User avatar
Terasawa
G-Force Lieutenant
Posts: 2065
Joined: Tue Jun 07, 2011 10:06 am

Re: General movies/Hollywood thread.

Postby Terasawa » Sat Jul 06, 2019 3:32 pm

_JNavs_ wrote:So my deal with this essentially is, there's no actual redheaded princesses beyond Ariel. Hell, How many Irish superheroes/characters are there?

Wally West, MJ, Starfire and Ariel.... Uhhhhh.

I don't think I've seen an actual redhead take the spotlight of a big film in like, ever.


Actors: https://www.imdb.com/list/ls000314972/

Actresses: https://www.imdb.com/list/ls073977859/

Also, what do the Irish have to do with this? Or especially Halle Berry? The only thing she and Halle Bailey have in common besides their name is that they're black actresses.
Last edited by Terasawa on Sat Jul 06, 2019 3:43 pm, edited 4 times in total.
-- 寺沢 --
YouTube
Save All Dubs

Image

User avatar
_JNavs_
E.S.P.Spy
Posts: 5280
Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:59 pm
Location: ニューヨーク

Re: General movies/Hollywood thread.

Postby _JNavs_ » Sat Jul 06, 2019 3:59 pm

Terasawa wrote:
_JNavs_ wrote:So my deal with this essentially is, there's no actual redheaded princesses beyond Ariel. Hell, How many Irish superheroes/characters are there?

Wally West, MJ, Starfire and Ariel.... Uhhhhh.

I don't think I've seen an actual redhead take the spotlight of a big film in like, ever.


Actors: https://www.imdb.com/list/ls000314972/

Actresses: https://www.imdb.com/list/ls073977859/

Also, what do the Irish have to do with this? Or especially Halle Berry? The only thing she and Halle Bailey have in common besides their name is that they're black actresses.

Well Irish because natural redhead was what I meant.

Halle Berry because I thought that was her name lol, figured they shared the same name.

I'm not talking actors themselves, I'm talking about significant red-headed characters from famous stories being reimagined on the silver screen as something they weren't originally, thereby leaving redheads out in the cold.

MJ is iconic for her red hair, Ariel for her red hair and blue eyes, Starfire for being orange and having red hair, Wally West having scruffy red hair atop his mask.

These are defining characteristics that are being changed.
Image
Sith Apprentice.

User avatar
Terasawa
G-Force Lieutenant
Posts: 2065
Joined: Tue Jun 07, 2011 10:06 am

Re: General movies/Hollywood thread.

Postby Terasawa » Sat Jul 06, 2019 4:37 pm

_JNavs_ wrote:Well Irish because natural redhead was what I meant.


That's tangentially related though. Red hair is not a clear indication of race or ethnicity in the same way a skin color is. Northwestern Europe of course is known to have a higher percentage of redheads than other regions of the world but as I understand it red hair can exist in nearly any ethnic group. The animated Ariel is no more Irish because of her red hair than she's of English heritage because her skin is white. (She is neither; she's a mermaid.)

I'm not talking actors themselves, I'm talking about significant red-headed characters from famous stories being reimagined on the silver screen as something they weren't originally, thereby leaving redheads out in the cold.

MJ is iconic for her red hair, Ariel for her red hair and blue eyes, Starfire for being orange and having red hair, Wally West having scruffy red hair atop his mask.

These are defining characteristics that are being changed.


But is it a defining characteristic, though? Would people be making this argument if her hair color had been brown or black or blonde? Her hair color supposedly isn't even mentioned in Hans Christian Andersen's original story, making the color of her hair as important as the color of the skin. Again, she's a fictional character, it shouldn't matter if those aspects aren't pertinent to the story being told.

As for other red haired characters, I don't know. I guess it depends on your definition of "big movie." Until pretty recently black people were pretty underrepresented as meaningful primary characters in big movies too. But that's of secondary concern since Disney isn't trying to slight redheads by casting a black actress with black hair as a mermaid; they cast the actress they thought would be best in the part.

For what it's worth, Merida from Disney & Pixar's Brave is a redhead (as his her entire family) and is canonically a Disney Princess. And I don't believe casting someone with different hair color as Ariel is a slight towards redheads since the red haired animated Ariel is still going to be sold as a doll for little red haired girls to play with. Now there just happens to be a black Ariel for young African American girls to look up to, too. They can exist in harmony, dude.
-- 寺沢 --
YouTube
Save All Dubs

Image


Return to “Media Center”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests