Marvel Cinematic Universe

[miguelnuva]

Disney and Sony are both at fault. Disney is at fault because they're greedy. Sony is at fault because they make bad film decisions. Disney is greedy and is clearly in the wrong. Sony however is taking another chance on getting them selves in trouble with bad filming decisions which is why they went to Disney in the first place.

The only real losers here are the fans but they might be alright as well.

Best case Scenario: Spidey stays in the mcu or we get Spiderman crossing over with Venom and maybe the Black suit again. The Mcu will be busy and while we will miss Spiderman in the mcu it will be ok.

Worst case scenario: Sony goes back to subpar or bad Spiderman films and have to go back to Disney.

Say what you want about Dinsey and their politics as well but if the Mcu starts to head down the Star Wars path like some are thinking maybe it's best Spiderman did get out of there.

[Destoroyah of Worlds]

Disney and Sony are both at fault. Disney is at fault because they're greedy. Sony is at fault because they make bad film decisions. Disney is greedy and is clearly in the wrong. Sony however is taking another chance on getting them selves in trouble with bad filming decisions which is why they went to Disney in the first place.

The only real losers here are the fans but they might be alright as well.

Best case Scenario: Spidey stays in the mcu or we get Spiderman crossing over with Venom and maybe the Black suit again. The Mcu will be busy and while we will miss Spiderman in the mcu it will be ok.

Worst case scenario: Sony goes back to subpar or bad Spiderman films and have to go back to Disney.

Say what you want about Dinsey and their politics as well but if the Mcu starts to head down the Star Wars path like some are thinking maybe it's best Spiderman did get out of there.

I don't think the worst case scenario will happen. Spiderman will be fine without the MCU. Hell, just get the Spiderverse team to be the new Kevin Feige.

I think this could be good for Spiderman. We'll see him with Venom & Carnage. We might see Sony take risks and do films about the Clone Saga, Superior Spiderman, the Kraven/Spiderman buddy cop movie, Spider-Noir, Silk, and Spiderman 2099 - Stuff we'd never see from MCU playing it safe.

[Fish Cakes]

Yeah. MCU sucks, Spidey belongs with Sony.

[Shoopwoop17]

I think the one thing that would make me happy about this would be if Spider-Man 4 by Sam Raimi starring Tobey Maguire happened. I am incredibly frustrated that we may have to get yet another new Spider-Man. I want to see him move into new territory, not just stay doing all the same old same old.

[KManX89]

Disney and Sony are both at fault. Disney is at fault because they're greedy. Sony is at fault because they make bad film decisions. Disney is greedy and is clearly in the wrong. Sony however is taking another chance on getting them selves in trouble with bad filming decisions which is why they went to Disney in the first place.

The only real losers here are the fans but they might be alright as well.

Best case Scenario: Spidey stays in the mcu or we get Spiderman crossing over with Venom and maybe the Black suit again. The Mcu will be busy and while we will miss Spiderman in the mcu it will be ok.

Worst case scenario: Sony goes back to subpar or bad Spiderman films and have to go back to Disney.

Say what you want about Dinsey and their politics as well but if the Mcu starts to head down the Star Wars path like some are thinking maybe it's best Spiderman did get out of there.

I don't think the worst case scenario will happen. Spiderman will be fine without the MCU. Hell, just get the Spiderverse team to be the new Kevin Feige.

I think this could be good for Spiderman. We'll see him with Venom & Carnage. We might see Sony take risks and do films about the Clone Saga, Superior Spiderman, the Kraven/Spiderman buddy cop movie, Spider-Noir, Silk, and Spiderman 2099 - Stuff we'd never see from MCU playing it safe.

Spider-Man 3, Ghost Rider, Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance and both (Un)Amazing Spider-Man films beg to differ.

And no, I didn't hate Venom, it wasn't bad, but nothing special, either. Whereas everybody seems to either love or hate it, I'm somewhere in the middle.

But yeah, Disney are being dicks and greedy about the whole situation. They already get all the merchandise profits and 5% of the ticket revenue. They make more money off merchandise alone than Sony does off the movies even with the Disney-branded ticket boost. Not only does Disney not need a 50/50 cut of the films' box office take, but Sony would end up making less than they did before they went to Disney to right the ship in the first place, so it ultimately helps no one.

IF the deal really is dead and buried, I can sympathize with Sony to a point, I just don't know if I can trust them (see above).

[SoggyNoodles2016]

You know what, it would kind of be fantastic if they made a 4th Sam Raimi Spider-Man film

oh boy yeah

[Stump Feet]

Basically

[MechaGoji Bro7503]

You know what, it would kind of be fantastic if they made a 4th Sam Raimi Spider-Man film

Back to formula. I would be so excited for this.

[Gigantis]

You know what, it would kind of be fantastic if they made a 4th Sam Raimi Spider-Man film

Back to formula. I would be so excited for this.

it be cool...but Toby's WAY to old to play the part now (Isn't he 40 something?)

[Stump Feet]

It’s fine, fuck it, we’ll recast him as Michael Cera

[SoggyNoodles2016]

It’s fine, skreeonk it, we’ll recast him as Michael Cera

[G2000]

Really glad I skipped Far From Home now. Really loved Spider-verse, hope they do more like that. Homecoming was okay, but wasn't the best. I'd say the best part of the film was the Vulture of all unexpected things.

I think you made the right choice. I didn't really like Far From Home. Just a rinse and repeat of "I ****ing hate Tony Stark" instead of being about Spiderman. At some point, they have to rip the training wheels off and make Spiderman be his own person.

I thought Far From Home was okay but you're right in that it really, really took the "Iron Boy" stuff and turned it up to twenty. The villains are former Stark employees, Hogan is basically Peter's assistant now, Spider-Man even gets called "the next Iron Man" at one point, it's just tiresome.

[miguelnuva]

Rami made a great trilogy but I always felt that his Spiderman wasn't Peter parker so while a SM4 would have been nice I'm not in a rush for it.

[LegendZilla]

Rami made a great trilogy but I always felt that his Spiderman wasn't Peter parker so while a SM4 would have been nice I'm not in a rush for it.

Look how well a fourth film worked for Batman back in '97.

[Destoroyah of Worlds]

Really glad I skipped Far From Home now. Really loved Spider-verse, hope they do more like that. Homecoming was okay, but wasn't the best. I'd say the best part of the film was the Vulture of all unexpected things.

I think you made the right choice. I didn't really like Far From Home. Just a rinse and repeat of "I ****ing hate Tony Stark" instead of being about Spiderman. At some point, they have to rip the training wheels off and make Spiderman be his own person.

I thought Far From Home was okay but you're right in that it really, really took the "Iron Boy" stuff and turned it up to twenty. The villains are former Stark employees, Hogan is basically Peter's assistant now, Spider-Man even gets called "the next Iron Man" at one point, it's just tiresome.

The MCU Spiderman movies did a good job at making safe but good superhero movies. But they're just serviceable movies and don't push any boundaries.

[MechaGoji Bro7503]

Rami made a great trilogy but I always felt that his Spiderman wasn't Peter parker so while a SM4 would have been nice I'm not in a rush for it.

Look how well a fourth film worked for Batman back in '97.

What does Batman have to do with this lol.

[gvamp]

^The fourth Batman movie was terrible, considered to be one of the worst movies ever made and from the script that leaked online Spider Man 4 would have followed suit as the movie sounded absolutely terrible and probably would have garnered worse critical reception than Spider Man 3.

As for the news about Spidey leaving the MCU I'm a little upset because Sony has proven that they really can't make a good live action Spider-Man movie any more. Tom Holland and Disney gave us the most comic accurate Peter Parker to date and I don't see Sony sticking to that especially since they basically can't reference the Disney owned Marvel stuff.

I'm hoping that a new deal can be reached because I would prefer Spider Man stay in the MCU especially now that we have X-Men and Fantastic Four joining the MCU.

[eabaker]

Tom Holland and Disney gave us the most comic accurate Peter Parker to date and I don't see Sony sticking to that especially since they basically can't reference the Disney owned Marvel stuff.

But we'll still be getting Tom Holland in the role, still directed by John Watts, and I don't know that there's any reason that they wouldn't bring back screenwriters Chris McKenna and Erik Sommers. I don't think the fact that they can't use the word "Avengers" (assuming that the two companies even really have completely and definitively parted ways as the Deadline report suggested) will do all that much damage.

[SoggyNoodles2016]

^The fourth Batman movie was terrible, considered to be one of the worst movies ever made and from the script that leaked online Spider Man 4 would have followed suit as the movie sounded absolutely terrible and probably would have garnered worse critical reception than Spider Man 3.

Good breakdown but two things
1. Batman Forever was a completely different team then the first Batman so it has LITTLE to do with this discussion.

2. That was Sony's script, not Sam Raimi's. His was similar but had next to nothing in common with that one.

[Destoroyah of Worlds]

Tom Holland and Disney gave us the most comic accurate Peter Parker to date and I don't see Sony sticking to that especially since they basically can't reference the Disney owned Marvel stuff.

But we'll still be getting Tom Holland in the role, still directed by John Watts, and I don't know that there's any reason that they wouldn't bring back screenwriters Chris McKenna and Erik Sommers. I don't think the fact that they can't use the word "Avengers" (assuming that the two companies even really have completely and definitively parted ways as the Deadline report suggested) will do all that much damage.

Not being able to reference MCU characters only MAY be problematic when they get to the Sinister Six. Because Vulture and Mysterio are motivated by being ****ed over by Stark.