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[FlamingZilla23]

http://gma.yahoo.com/annoying-offending-language-online-crime-under-arizona-bill-171544046--abc-news-topstories.html

The stupidest use of YOUR tax money I've ever seen.

How long will it be before anarchists try to overthrow the government?

Until he is back in his Second Term as President.

[Cimmerian Dragon]

How long will it be before anarchists try to overthrow the government?

Until Obama is back in his Second Term as President.

If he keeps telling the Supreme Court that they shouldn't be checking and balancing the power of the other branches, then it might not be the anarchists that try to overthrow him.

[Tyler]

Watch Fox News talk about how bad anime is now because of this guy. Odd that guy does look somewhat like Tyler.

He's my decoy.

[gigandude]

http://news.yahoo.com/video/cincinnatiw ... 23305.html
Wow just wow i find it kinda ironic but really schools damn homophobic Ugh! so anyway your thought?

[BigBaragon]

http://news.yahoo.com/video/cincinnatiwlwt-18191085/student-sues-to-wear-jesus-is-not-a-homophobe-shirt-28823305.html
Wow just wow i find it kinda ironic but really schools damn homophobic Ugh! so anyway your thought?

What a disgusting notion on the part of that principal. Whats the big DEAL here, really?? I'd bet $100 that this 'principal' is a right-wing lunatic with some 'sexual issues' of his OWN. What about the endless shirts that say things like "Jesus Saves!", "Jesus is my Light", and "Jesus Died for YOU!"..... How is this kid's shirt ANY different??

"Sexual in nature"...?? Wow...yeah, I think that the principal ought to creeeeeep out of his own closet pretty soon....seems like he has issues/latent desires that he needs to impose on others. (Typical of this sort of ignorant and 'holy' attitude.)

Homophobia = hate. Didnt realize that was a "sexual" term - ?

[wataru]

That kids needs a swift bat to the skull...

You're wearing that shirt for attention, plain & simple.

[Spirit Ghidorah 2010]

http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/09/justice/pennsylvania-university-threats/index.html?iref=allsearch
My college had its 57th bomb threat. It's crazy here.

[UltramanGoji]

http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/09/justice/pennsylvania-university-threats/index.html?iref=allsearch
My college had its 57th bomb threat. It's crazy here.

Fifty-Seventh?

Christ almighty...

[GreenAiden555]

North Korea launched a long-range rocket.

http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20 ... ocket?lite

[Living Corpse]

Isn't that a weekly thing for them? I was always under the impression that N.K is always launching new missiles.

[Legionmaster]

Isn't that a weekly thing for them? I was always under the impression that N.K is always launching new missiles.

Boy you're out of touch with reality. This is only their third orbital attempt since 1998.

Also, it broke apart before leaving the atmosphere. lol.

[Spirit Ghidorah 2010]

North Korea launched a long-range rocket.

http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20 ... ocket?lite

http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3orj11/

I think this feels appropriate.

[miguelnuva]

George Zimmerman is being charged with second degree murder, heard he cried in jail.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ ... story.html

[wataru]

George Zimmerman is being charged with second degree murder, heard he cried in jail.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ ... story.html

And they just ruined his life.

I really hate to say this, but the law is in George's side. The Stand Your Ground Law is wrong. It needs MAJOR retooling, but it's on his side for THIS case. But the fact that he got arrested means the state has ruined much of his life now. It's on his record.

Sadly, living less then 10 miles from Sanford, I am bombarded with Justice for Trayvon shit.

Look - he was profiled. Im sorry, he was. Profiling for citizens isnt illegal. He was a black boy out at night suspended from school wearing a hoodie. Why do people wear hoodies at night in Spring/Summer in FL? Our nights dont get below 65 in Spring/Summer. It's horrible, Trayvon died. I dont think it was malicious.

Also, living so close to the area - I doubt HIGHLY Trayvon was a sweet little angel when approached by Zimmerman. Im sure he was a foul mouthed aggressive young man.

[Jomei]

It's actually not on his side if he provoked the use of force against himself, as one version of the story--backed by evidence--seems to suggest. At that point, he forfeits his claim to merely standing his ground and must make every attempt to flee before using lethal force. In fact, one of the sponsors of the Florida law is quoted as saying, "When he (Zimmerman) said 'I'm following him', he lost his defense."

From the Florida law:

776.041 Use of force by aggressor. —The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:

(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or

(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:

(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or
(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.

Why do people wear hoodies at night in Spring/Summer in FL?

The shooting was on February 12, 2012.

[wataru]

Following someone isnt a use of force. Also, it's been stated by Zimmerman's side that Trayvon attacked him and actually swung and hit him.

Who do I believe? I believe both sides have their take of the story. But I believe Zimmerman followed a hooded black male after profiling him and Trayvon saw him, said some colorful shit and they got into it, resulting in a pew pew pew and a dead black boy.

Also, 911 dispatchers are not officers of the law. You are not required to follow their orders/advice. They're normal people hired off the street and not even deputized.

[Jomei]

Following someone isnt a use of force.

Didn't say it was. Read the words. I said he loses his defense if he "provokes" the use of force. That's the language in the law. Stalking someone at night certainly seems like one way to provoke a conflict.

By the way, in case you missed my edit, I pointed out that the shooting was on February 12, whereas you said Trayvon was suspicious for wearing a hoodie in the "spring/summer." I'm sure it's warmer in Florida than it is in the midwest in February, but I was in Orange County, California in March, and it was plenty cool for a hoodie, especially at night.

[wataru]

Following someone isnt a use of force.

Didn't say it was. Read the words. I said he loses his defense if he "provokes" the use of force. That's the language in the law. Stalking someone at night certainly seems like one way to provoke a conflict.

By the way, in case you missed my edit, I pointed out that the shooting was on February 12, whereas you said Trayvon was suspicious for wearing a hoodie in the "spring/summer." I'm sure it's warmer in Florida than it is in the midwest in February, but I was in Orange County, California in March, and it was plenty cool for a hoodie, especially at night.

Here's your arguement:

"When he (Zimmerman) said 'I'm following him', he lost his defense."

Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless

he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger

#1 there is no 'defense' to lose. Zimmerman is a private citizen. It is not illegal to profile someone, or follow them.

#2 - following someone isnt force. If Trayvon saw Zimmerman following him, it's not illegal. If Trayvon felt threatened, he should've followed [b]/

#3 - Reasonable means to escape implies that Trayvon presented a threat. Suspicious activity =/= threat. Trayvon most likely presented himself as one by what I stated previously - Im sure some altercation took place and Im more likely to believe some pushing and loud shouting starting.

I dont believe Zimmerman followed then gunned down Trayvon in cold blood. I believe he followed Trayvon, Trayvon saw him, started yelling, Zimmerman yelled back, some laying of hands happened and Trayvon was shot.

The saddest part of all of this is if Zimmerman had been black, this wouldnt have been more then a 60 second news blip. "Black man shoots younger black man in Sanford. Suspect name is <blah>, victim's name is <blah>. Police investigating." Then you'd never hear about it again.

[Jomei]

No, here's my argument. The quote from the law itself is just to show you the exact language that I'm basing it on.

It's actually not on his side if he provoked the use of force against himself, as one version of the story--backed by evidence--seems to suggest. At that point, he forfeits his claim to merely standing his ground and must make every attempt to flee before using lethal force. In fact, one of the sponsors of the Florida law is quoted as saying, "When he (Zimmerman) said 'I'm following him', he lost his defense."

Let me try to make this simpler.

1) If Zimmerman provoked Martin to use force against him, then he cannot claim defense under "stand your ground" unless he tried his hardest to run away before shooting. (I quote the law to back this point up--the law does not give people a right to go following any person they find suspicious and then shoot them if they resist your AUTHORITAH)

2) If following someone at night, armed with a gun, and harassing them about what they're doing without any authority to do so can be called "provoking" a conflict, then Zimmerman did provoke the incident.

Therefore, I'm not sure Zimmerman can claim he was only "standing his ground" if we follow the letter of this law. The question is what counts as provoking the use of force, but that's where I quote the sponsor of the actual bill who had the above quote to say on the matter.

[wataru]

If you're face-to-face with someone Jerry Springer style, telling the other person to hit you ("cmon man, do it! Punch me. Hit me muthafucka!) and the other person does - it's not called provoking force - it's called assault and battery. Someone in your face, or across the street or 10' away or wherever telling you to go skreeonk your mother, you POS cocksucker blah blah doesnt give the other person the right to attack them.

As far as I know, Zimmerman wasnt brandishing his firearm willy-nilly when he was "harassing" him about what he was doing. BTW you can question anyone you want, and their activities. He doesnt mean the other person has to answer.

Here's what I think happened...

Zimmerman saw a hooded black person at night and followed him, maybe profiling him (living near Sanford and my gf living in Sanford, a black person in a hoodie at night really is somethining to be aware of if you're also out and about). He called the police. The operator said not to follow him. Zimmerman does NOT have to follow this advice (if it had been an officer, then yes he would've had to). Zimmerman went upto Trayvon and questioned him, most likely in an aggressive manner (loud, boisterous manner), and Trayvon probably got in his face. As it was stated by Zimmerman's camp, Trayvon DID physically attack Zimmerman (and I believe this) and a row commensed ending in Zimmerman shooting and killed Trayvon.

Is this 2nd degree murder? No. If Zimmerman pulled the gun in the heat of the fight and shot Trayvon, I would call it self defense. Both Zimmerman and Trayvon acted a bit stupid but I dont think he set out following Trayvon to kill him.