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Re: What Gets On Your Nerves?

Postby Hellspawn28 » Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:56 am

Biollante wrote:I've noticed anime fans lack objectivity and are incapable of taking off nostalgia goggles.


Like with what? If it's the dubs of Pokemon and Dragon Ball Z then I agree. Fans got upset with the Kai dub but I personally think the Funimation dub of Kai is surprisely well done. The Kai dub sticks close to the japanese script and the new voices are not that bad once you get used to them. The old Funimation dub was never any good since it had a inaccurate script, cringe-worthy dialogue and really stupid humor (Like when Captain Ginyu was fighting Kuririn and Gohan in Goku's body, he says "I hope you're both wearing clean underwear, because you're about to take a trip to the emergency ward!").
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Re: What Gets On Your Nerves?

Postby Crocodile » Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:57 am

Biollante wrote:I've noticed anime fans lack objectivity and are incapable of taking off nostalgia goggles.


Oh which nostalgia tripping fan base was it for you?
For me it was NGE
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Re: What Gets On Your Nerves?

Postby Hellspawn28 » Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:14 am

I'm not sure if NGE is very nostalgic to most people since I would imagine that most anime fans in the US never got the chance to see it until 2005 when Adult Swim aired it.
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Re: What Gets On Your Nerves?

Postby Biollante » Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:18 am

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Biollante wrote:I've noticed anime fans lack objectivity and are incapable of taking off nostalgia goggles.


Oh which nostalgia tripping fan base was it for you?
For me it was NGE

DBZ. This show is the epitome of shounen garbage, it disappoints me that people above the age of 16 still think highly of it.

NGE is hands down the most overrated anime out there, but the show itself has aged decently and still holds some value to this very day (I can see why it's a classic)
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Re: What Gets On Your Nerves?

Postby Hellspawn28 » Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:22 am

Biollante wrote:DBZ. This show is the epitome of shounen garbage, it disappoints me that people above the age of 16 still think highly of it.


Have you seen the original Japanese version or you just judgeing it off of the old Funimation dub?
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Re: What Gets On Your Nerves?

Postby Legionmaster » Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:24 am

Nobody likes DBZ because it's art. People like it because it's fun.
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Re: What Gets On Your Nerves?

Postby Crocodile » Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:25 am

Hellspawn28 wrote:
Biollante wrote:DBZ. This show is the epitome of shounen garbage, it disappoints me that people above the age of 16 still think highly of it.


Have you seen the original Japanese version or you just judgeing it off of the old Funimation dub?


It doesn't matter, I know what he means.
I haven't seen that many people defend DBZ as entertaining for anything other than nostalgia, or mindless entertainment to be honest. Mind you I wouldn't call it the epitome of Shounen garbage, I'd give that to Bleach simply because DBZ lacks angst for the sake of angst.
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Re: What Gets On Your Nerves?

Postby Biollante » Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:30 am

Hellspawn28 wrote:
Biollante wrote:DBZ. This show is the epitome of shounen garbage, it disappoints me that people above the age of 16 still think highly of it.


Have you seen the original Japanese version or you just judgeing it off of the old Funimation dub?

I'm judging it from a direction standpoint, not the dubs.

Boring choreography (Constant power leveling) and the structure of the show becomes mundane, redundant, predictable and ultimately lead to pointless side characters, on a consistent basis. DBZ is pretty much the example of how to not make a battle shounen.
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Re: What Gets On Your Nerves?

Postby Hellspawn28 » Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:31 am

anything other than nostalgia, or mindless entertainment to be honest. Mind you I wouldn't call it the epitome of Shounen garbage, I'd give that to Bleach simply because DBZ lacks angst for the sake of angst.


Won't you say the same for the Godzilla movies as well, but I do agree that Bleack is garbage (I view it as a poor man's version of YYH)? Dragon Ball is a shonen series, you are not going to find something like Watchmen or anything from George Orwell when reading Dragon Ball. I can understand people for not liking it but I don't think it's not that repetitive as most people make it out to be.
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Re: What Gets On Your Nerves?

Postby Crocodile » Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:34 am

Hellspawn28 wrote:
anything other than nostalgia, or mindless entertainment to be honest. Mind you I wouldn't call it the epitome of Shounen garbage, I'd give that to Bleach simply because DBZ lacks angst for the sake of angst.


Won't you say the same for the Godzilla movies as well, but I do agree that Bleack is garbage (I view it as a poor man's version of YYH)? Dragon Ball is a shonen series, you are not going to find something like Watchmen or anything from George Orwell when reading Dragon Ball. I can understand people for not liking it but I don't think it's not that repetitive as most people make it out to be.


Most Shounen battle manga gets to be pretty repetitive. I've read a few that aren't, but they get by, by making everyone useful for something. One of these days I hope to read Hunter X Hunter for funzies.

And Bleach isn't a poor man's YYH, they're very different series, beyond the similar themes of ghosts.
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Re: What Gets On Your Nerves?

Postby Biollante » Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:41 am

Hellspawn28 wrote:Dragon Ball is a shonen series, you are not going to find something like Watchmen or anything from George Orwell when reading Dragon Ball.

JoJo's Bizarre Adventure
Full Metal Alchemist (Both series do a great job at presenting emotion, trauma, passion and a great story)
Yu Yu Hakusho (Great example of shounen choreography. Battles are won strategically and don't require redundancy or the use of power level fillers)
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Re: What Gets On Your Nerves?

Postby wataru » Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:52 am

I remember when Dragonball-Z-GT was cool. Back before ANY US company got ahold of it and released it 9000z on a bajillion formats.

It was cool when Anime Labs subtitled it from ear. Every other word was skreeonk, SHIT or DAMN!

BTW, skreeonk NGE. I agree, most overated EVER.

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Re: What Gets On Your Nerves?

Postby Crocodile » Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:53 am

Eh my favorite Shonen will always be One Piece, for the constant adventures
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Re: What Gets On Your Nerves?

Postby HeiseiGodzilla117 » Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:55 am

Meh, I like Dragon Ball up to the end of the Cell Saga. It doesn't have the greatest story of all time. Nor is it particularly well executed or fresh. But it does have fast-paced action (if you get past the constant screaming and stalling of the original DBZ anime), some pretty good comedy, and loveable characters. That makes it fun enough for me.
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Re: What Gets On Your Nerves?

Postby wataru » Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:58 am

HeiseiGodzilla117 wrote:Meh, I like Dragon Ball up to the end of the Cell Saga. It doesn't have the greatest story of all time. Nor is it particularly well executed or fresh. But it does have fast-paced action (if you get past the constant screaming and stalling of the original DBZ anime), some pretty good comedy, and loveable characters. That makes it fun enough for me.


Dragon Ball Kai would be for you, since they redid the animation, subbing and eliminated all filler arcs and episodes and all of Buu.
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Re: What Gets On Your Nerves?

Postby Hellspawn28 » Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:04 am

The only anime that is not enjoyable without nostalgia goggles is the 4kids dub of Pokemon. The dub was never that good, the Japanese version of Pokemon: The First Movie is much better and darker. The manga of Pokemon even better then the anime IMO.

JoJo's Bizarre Adventure
Full Metal Alchemist (Both series do a great job at presenting emotion, trauma, passion and a great story)
Yu Yu Hakusho (Great example of shounen choreography. Battles are won strategically and don't require redundancy or the use of power level fillers)


I agree that the anime shows that you listed are better, but I do find DB to a enjoyable show. I watch the show and read the manga without nostalgia goggles and I enjoy it for what it is.
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Re: What Gets On Your Nerves?

Postby Mothra Freak » Tue Mar 20, 2012 3:39 pm

wataru wrote:
HeiseiGodzilla117 wrote:Meh, I like Dragon Ball up to the end of the Cell Saga. It doesn't have the greatest story of all time. Nor is it particularly well executed or fresh. But it does have fast-paced action (if you get past the constant screaming and stalling of the original DBZ anime), some pretty good comedy, and loveable characters. That makes it fun enough for me.


Dragon Ball Kai would be for you, since they redid the animation, subbing and eliminated all filler arcs and episodes and all of Buu.

Actually, a lot of it's still the old animation, just re-traced or whatever.

Don't get me wrong. It looks GOOD. But it's not great.

As for whether or not DBZ is garbage... No, it is not. Yes, it's fairly repetitive. Yeah, a lot of the fight choreography is boring toward the end, but the anime... the anime is probably the major offender here. It drew stuff out ridiculously. The infamous "five minutes" could actually conceivably be five minutes in the manga. It's generally much better-paced when it's on paper.

Yeah, it's hard to objectively say the later arcs are just as good as the first several (personally, I feel the manga reaches its high point at the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai), but I still can't say they're terrible. Even when the majority of the arc is ridiculously muddled, Toriyama always managed to whip out an epic finale (Cell Games, final battle with Boo).

You might like other series better, but you can't really say that Dragon Ball is objectively trash.
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Re: What Gets On Your Nerves?

Postby Legion1979 » Tue Mar 20, 2012 4:58 pm

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Re: What Gets On Your Nerves?

Postby Berzerkgodzilla » Tue Mar 20, 2012 5:14 pm

Freaking Shock and Awe (Extreme) and Rumble in the Jungle (Extreme) Combat challenges on skreeonk Arkham Asylum, it's nearly skreeonk impossible to beat Shock without time running out (Especailly with all the stun guys) and then it's just to goddamn hard to get the 50000 points on Rumble.
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Re: What Gets On Your Nerves?

Postby King Caesar » Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:56 am

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