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Re: US Elections 2020

Postby Fish Cakes » Tue Aug 06, 2019 2:11 pm

basic summary of my political views:
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Postby 2004Zilla » Tue Aug 06, 2019 2:23 pm

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Re: US Elections 2020

Postby Kiryu2012 » Tue Aug 06, 2019 2:25 pm

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Pretty much my thoughts. That's all I'll be saying in this thread.
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Re: US Elections 2020

Postby Breakdown » Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:19 pm

Fish Cakes wrote:basic summary of my political views:
guns are cool
abortion is needed
weed is gross
LGBTQ+ is great
trump is skreeonk
democrats is suck
republicans is dumb
border control and ICE is evil
socialism is poop
climate change is real
the environment is important
veterans is underappreciated
USA is doomed (if the government continues being this poop)
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More or less my views. Gotta disagree on weed tho >.>
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Re: US Elections 2020

Postby Stump Feet » Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:39 pm

There's absolutely nothing wrong with Marijuana and if you think so, you're not familiar with hemp, the effects of THC, or CBD in the slightest.

Marijuana is far less destructive than you think and people use it for far more reasons than to just "get high for lulz".
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Re: US Elections 2020

Postby Terasawa » Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:41 pm

I wouldn't say border control is inherently evil (it's a necessary aspect of our security), but what we're seeing at our southern border is tremendously skreeonked up. In other words, this is not the way to secure our border.
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Re: US Elections 2020

Postby Godzilla21 » Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:54 pm

Terasawa wrote:I wouldn't say border control is inherently evil (it's a necessary aspect of our security), but what we're seeing at our southern border is tremendously skreeonked up. In other words, this is not the way to secure our border.


Agree. Every country in the world has border security and rules on getting into their country.

What are your suggestions on how to secure the border since you dont agree with current methods?
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Re: US Elections 2020

Postby Terasawa » Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:06 pm

Well I’m not going to pretend to be an expert, I don’t know how I would change it. But the fact that conditions are as bad as claimed tells me change is needed immediately. I’ll entertain any idea that combines limiting illegal border crossings with not cramming 20+ people to a cage.
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Re: US Elections 2020

Postby Breakdown » Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:24 pm

Stump Feet wrote:There's absolutely nothing wrong with Marijuana and if you think so, you're not familiar with hemp, the effects of THC, or CBD in the slightest.

Marijuana is far less destructive than you think and people use it for far more reasons than to just "get high for lulz".

Speaking only for myself here, but I get high for the lulz :lol:

poop makes my brain's creative faculties go into overdrive and I crank out like 6 drawings in a single day lol. Seriously though, I have anxiety and depression and CBD has been a huge help in managing both.
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Re: US Elections 2020

Postby Stump Feet » Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:29 pm

I mean getting high for the lulz is fun, I was just saying it has plenty of positives that outweigh the negatives making it a totally valid thing :P

CBD is like miracle in a bottle for plenty of people, I always love hearing stories of how it's helped others.

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Re: US Elections 2020

Postby LSD Jellyfish » Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:50 pm

MM Raids Again wrote:Yo. Let's be honest here, most mass shooters are too stupid to 3D print their own weapons anyway. And if this was even half of a valid argument on the issue, other countries that have 3D Printers should be having the same issue. They're not. We are the ONLY country on Earth with this scale of an issue. And what's pathetic is after EVERY shooter, after EVERY pro-NRA gives their share of "thoughts and prayers", we get the whole "but you won't take my guns. Second amendment!"

Nobody is trying to take anyone's guns. Nobody is trying to take anyone's rights. What we are going to take are outright weapons of war out of your hands. Do you need a tank? Is that covered in the second amendment? Do you need a rocket launcher too? Then you don't need assault weapons. Do you want an assault weapon? Maybe for collective purposes? Then you're going to need to do A LOT more than what is currently necessary to acquire one. Including psych evaluations and extensive background checks.

Where we stand now, getting a assault weapon is about as difficult as getting a keg of beer. And that is wrong.

"It`s not guns, it's da vidya gaems"-politicians

I currently live in a country where 60% of people play video games, but the violent crime rate, and especially guns, is one of the lowest in the world.

Terasawa wrote:I wouldn't say border control is inherently evil (it's a necessary aspect of our security), but what we're seeing at our southern border is tremendously skreeonked up. In other words, this is not the way to secure our border.

I agree, and it's also important how politicians handle it publicly. Yes, calling it an invasion, and demonizing refugees is bad, and something that should not be done. A lot of people seem to ignore how rhetoric in these cases are a direct problem as well. And they also want to ignore why all these people are coming from the Southern Border; hint its not only "jobs"; many are refugees fleeing violence in places like Honduras (NOT MEXICO) and only want the best for their families. Sure, 100%, there`s some "bad hombres", but to just say we should treat everyone like dog poop cause of that is crazy. It also ignores the fact that the United States, in part is responsible for creating these situations, by creating power vacuums and enforcing the war on drugs.

ICE serves an important role, deporting people who have committed crimes etc...But when it comes to separating families and non-criminals its absolutely garbage. Take that into account with the amount of shaming that has occurred, and all these asshats who are using this to bully and scare people they either work with, or go to school with, and there you go.

There's obviously no simple solution: but that'ts a big difference then saying "lets just deport them all/treat people like poop". It`s a quick and lazy solution, that has disastrous consequences, that is being done for political gain.
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Re: US Elections 2020

Postby Breakdown » Tue Aug 06, 2019 5:02 pm

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Re: US Elections 2020

Postby Stump Feet » Tue Aug 06, 2019 5:11 pm

In the case of school shooters, I partially blame a lack of wholesome television shows and parents not spending quality time teaching them and not controlling what their children watch at young ages. Obviously some children handle it better but... growing up, the family all sat down together watching shows like Little House On The Prairie, The Waltons, Leave It To Beaver, and The Andy Griffith Show, and we just knew better, shits insane now.
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Re: US Elections 2020

Postby LSD Jellyfish » Tue Aug 06, 2019 5:20 pm

Stump Feet wrote:In the case of school shooters, I blame a lack of wholesome television shows and parents not spending quality time teaching them and not controlling what their children watch at young ages. Obviously some children handle it better but... growing up, the family all sat down together watching shows like Little House On The Prairie, The Waltons, Leave It To Beaver, and The Andy Griffith Show, and we just knew better, shits insane now.

I honestly think it's a specific American combination of things, namely:
-Access to Guns #1

-Mental Health #2 (not in the dumb excusatory way politicans say, that also stigmatizes and demonizes people with mental illnesses), but rather how often there`s clear warning signs that go completely ignored, and that many of these people could have used some help. Many of these people displayed clear warning signs, but got complete slaps on the wrists.

-Hateful Rhetoric Within the United States #3: How currently, be it from the Left or the Right, there is much hateful rhetoric, contributes to this. However, I would like to focus specifically on things like misogyny, as there is a clear trend of all these shooters having misogynistic beliefs, and the idea that society owes them pussy.

To be clear, the top one, access to guns is number 1. But I think all these things provide a unique cocktail of problems for the United States. I know what it`s like to feel frustrated and unloved in society, I myself was a particularly dumb edgelord between the ages of 17-20. And for a while, I was a complete "ANTI-FEMINIST" prick, before maturing and realizing that blaming others for my own personal issues and faults leads to nothing but worsening. And yeah, college and education deterred and pretty much destroyed any irrational and hateful beliefs I had. Never underestimate the value of a good liberal arts education. Now I'm living a great life as a mature and compassionate adult :)

I do think that some of the stuff you mentioned Stump Feet plays into it; but I think it's far too easy to just blame media for violence. I do think American culture has a glorification for war and violence which contributes to these things but they're not the root cause.
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Postby G2000 » Tue Aug 06, 2019 5:32 pm

LSD Jellyfish wrote:I agree, and it's also important how politicians handle it publicly. Yes, calling it an invasion, and demonizing refugees is bad, and something that should not be done. A lot of people seem to ignore how rhetoric in these cases are a direct problem as well. And they also want to ignore why all these people are coming from the Southern Border; hint its not only "jobs"; many are refugees fleeing violence in places like Honduras (NOT MEXICO) and only want the best for their families. Sure, 100%, there`s some "bad hombres", but to just say we should treat everyone like dog poop cause of that is crazy. It also ignores the fact that the United States, in part is responsible for creating these situations, by creating power vacuums and enforcing the war on drugs.

ICE serves an important role, deporting people who have committed crimes etc...But when it comes to separating families and non-criminals its absolutely garbage. Take that into account with the amount of shaming that has occurred, and all these asshats who are using this to bully and scare people they either work with, or go to school with, and there you go.

There's obviously no simple solution: but that'ts a big difference then saying "lets just deport them all/treat people like poop". It`s a quick and lazy solution, that has disastrous consequences, that is being done for political gain.


The thing is, though, under current laws so-called “non-criminal” illegals technically are criminals, having illegally entered the country or continuing to live in them country after the expiration of a visa, and their continued presence is itself a crime; not to mention other crimes like identity theft in order to obtain employment, etc.

I can’t say I approve with the way the deportations are going (children dying in ICE custody and detaining US citizens is definitely messed up to put it mildly) but I do think strong immigration controls and border security is an important thing for a nation to have.

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Re: US Elections 2020

Postby Living Corpse » Tue Aug 06, 2019 6:18 pm

Fish Cakes wrote:basic summary of my political views:
guns are cool
abortion is needed
weed is gross
LGBTQ+ is great
trump is skreeonk
democrats is suck
republicans is dumb
border control and ICE is evil
socialism is poop
climate change is real
the environment is important
veterans is underappreciated
USA is doomed (if the government continues being this poop)
uwu


Also better access to contraceptives and better sex ed. More focus on fighting human trafficking and spreading awareness of it (it's scary how many people think that only happens in third world countries). Harsher punishments to corporations or companies who skreeonk over their consumers. Better funding for education.
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Re: US Elections 2020

Postby Godzilla21 » Tue Aug 06, 2019 6:47 pm

LSD Jellyfish wrote:-Access to Guns #1


I struggle with believing this.

Americans have always had access to guns. In the 1950s there was almost no gun control. The first real meaningful gun control was passed in the late 60s. Yet in the 1950s there was one (1) mass shooting. One. Despite the fact you could walk into any store pretty much and buy a gun. Hell you could even mail order a gun back in the day. No background checks.
So access was never an issue.

People are losing their minds for some reason. And thinking its ok to go on murder sprees. So for me there isn't really a #1 reason but a giant mix of reasons that is causing this. I think both sides have it partially right. Its a mix of access to assault weapons (which I fully support a ban on) and people having severe mental health issues. I may sound old fashoned but I agree with what Stump Feet said. We are losing a lot of what we had before. Its a sad situation
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Re: US Elections 2020

Postby Terasawa » Tue Aug 06, 2019 7:28 pm

I think hateful politically-driven rhetoric being a possible cause for gun violence should be higher than third. That's something that has only gotten worse and worse in recent decades. I'd like to see a study linking that to shootings, if such a study exists.
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Postby UltramanGoji » Tue Aug 06, 2019 7:30 pm

Terasawa wrote:I think hateful politically-driven rhetoric being a possible cause for gun violence should be higher than third. That's something that has only gotten worse and worse in recent decades. I'd like to see a study linking that to shootings, if such a study exists.


Yeah, mental health is mixed in with this. There's no way they can be considered two separate causes. The mentally ill see this vile rhetoric and take it upon themselves to enact it since most politicians are just using it for (gerrymandered) votes.
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Re: US Elections 2020

Postby Godzilla21 » Tue Aug 06, 2019 7:59 pm

I think politically driven rhetoric may be a factor but I wouldn't place it high on the list. In fact I took a look at this list compiled by the LA Times of the most recent shootings and the vast majority of them since 2018 were either due to some kind of workplace dispute or no motive at all. The Las Vegas shooter who by far had the highest number of people shot had no known motive.

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/st ... -shootings

Thats not to say political rhetoric isn't more inflammatory these days. It is. But again the trends have been going up for years. Back to my example of past decades. 1950s you had one mass shooting. In the 1990s that number had jumped up 42. The numbers jumped big time despite the absence of our current political culture.

Like Terasawa said if there was a study to correlate the two I'd love to see it. But based on the evidence I see I think people are more susceptible to other factors in motivating them to commit these acts

Edit: found another LA Times article about the four common traits of recent mass shooters.

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2 ... oters-data
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