Your Religous Views

[omgitsgodzilla]

Why doesn't God just kill the Devil?

It'd be too easy! Eternity would be no fun. In all seriousness though, what would the church do without a stick to its carrot? It's like killing off the Big Bad in the first episode of a show, without a Bigger Bad to take over.

They have a slightly homoerotic Batman/Joker relationship. They complete and cancel each other out.

Very nice.

[SuperSaiyan4Godzilla]

Why doesn't God just kill the Devil?

Because "the Devil" may not be an actual being, but rather a creation of humanity's own free will. Therefore, to get rid of the Devil, God would have to destroy the creation which he loves.

There's some odd stuff about Satan/Lucifer. Such as the Satan in the Old Testament is not the Satan that we all know and love.

[anguirusnut94]

Why doesn't God just kill the Devil?

Because "the Devil" may not be an actual being, but rather a creation of humanity's own free will. Therefore, to get rid of the Devil, God would have to destroy the creation which he loves.

There's some odd stuff about Satan/Lucifer. Such as the Satan in the Old Testament is not the Satan that we all know and love.

Yep. There, he's just a lawyer.
Always knew I couldn't trust lawyers...

[HeiseiGodzilla117]

There's some odd stuff about Satan/Lucifer. Such as the Satan in the Old Testament is not the Satan that we all know and love.

I always found that interesting. I think the name then was something like "ha-satan" which just meant "The adversary" and it could be applied to a number of people, ideas, situations, etc.

[Malchik]

Why doesn't God just kill the Devil?

There's some odd stuff about Satan/Lucifer. Such as the Satan in the Old Testament is not the Satan that we all know and love.

skreeonk, Satan and Lucifer are not even the same person, apparently.

[Jomei]

Why doesn't God just kill the Devil?

Satan's got a mean right hook. I think God's ducking him.

[omgitsgodzilla]

Why doesn't God just kill the Devil?

There's some odd stuff about Satan/Lucifer. Such as the Satan in the Old Testament is not the Satan that we all know and love.

skreeonk, Satan and Lucifer are not even the same person, apparently.

I think I remember something about that. Like Lucifer's the one who skreeonk things up and got Hell started or something, and Satan is the guy who runs it/collects wicked souls?

[RedZillaKing]

According to demonology the various names used to describe the being collectively known as the devil are actually different demons. Lucifer is the big cheese (king of Hell), though.

Honestly my real view on religion is that the ignorance runs both ways. People tend to place people with common beliefs in the same category. Its how people implement the ideas, really.

[SuperSaiyan4Godzilla]

I think I remember something about that. Like Lucifer's the one who skreeonk things up and got Hell started or something, and Satan is the guy who runs it/collects wicked souls?

Not quite.

Satan in the Old Testament is one of Yahweh's agents.

Wait. Wut?

Yes. Satan works for God. He is the "Adversary" in God's court. When this court gathers, God has specific angels and beings that report on the specifics of the world/universe. Satan is (quite literally) the Devil's Advocate against humans. He reports the sins and wrong doings of humans. Satan is the adversary against humans, but not against God. A good example of this is the Book of Job.

Now, Christians changed the Jewish teachings up a bit. Zoroastrianism even influenced the views on God-Devil, Good/Evil.

[o.supreme]

Yes. Satan works for God. He is the "Adversary" in God's court. When this court gathers, God has specific angels and beings that report on the specifics of the world/universe. Satan is (quite literally) the Devil's Advocate against humans. He reports the sins and wrong doings of humans. Satan is the adversary against humans, but not against God. A good example of this is the Book of Job.

Now, Christians changed the Jewish teachings up a bit. Zoroastrianism even influenced the views on God-Devil, Good/Evil.

Not quite accurate but it is easy to understand how some can have this view. The Book of Job when you examine it, is actually very pivotal. The account where all the angels came in and took there stations did include Satan. But God asked "Where do you come from", and Satan replied "roving about in the earth" Satan since his rebellion against God has been the enemy of God and Humans, he was allowed access to heaven for a time, but he and his demons no longer reside their as is stated in Revelation, they are now confined to the vicinity of the earth. In fact the word Devil means slanderer, and Satan means resister. The true name of the Angelic creature that he was before he rebelled is not known to humans, and probably never will be. The account in Job where he lost everything he possesed, and all his children was a test instituted by Satan NOT by God (many people blame God, but it was Satan that caused the damage), still it is Job's example that can inspire any inperfect human to show that we can worhip god acceptably out of love, and prove Satan a liar to his challenge. After losing pretty much everything but his life God blessed Job for his faith and restored to him everything he had lost and more. I find it odd sometimes how many people dont relate the end of the account, they only rememebr the bad parts.

[Crocodile]

I find it odd sometimes how many people dont relate the end of the account, they only rememebr the bad parts.

Cause it still makes God sound like an ass for allowing it to happen.

At least Zeus was cool with his dickery.

[SuperSaiyan4Godzilla]

Yes. Satan works for God. He is the "Adversary" in God's court. When this court gathers, God has specific angels and beings that report on the specifics of the world/universe. Satan is (quite literally) the Devil's Advocate against humans. He reports the sins and wrong doings of humans. Satan is the adversary against humans, but not against God. A good example of this is the Book of Job.

Now, Christians changed the Jewish teachings up a bit. Zoroastrianism even influenced the views on God-Devil, Good/Evil.

Not quite accurate but it is easy to understand how some can have this view. The Book of Job when you examine it, is actually very pivotal. The account where all the angels came in and took there stations did include Satan. But God asked "Where do you come from", and Satan replied "roving about in the earth" Satan since his rebellion against God has been the enemy of God and Humans, he was allowed access to heaven for a time, but he and his demons no longer reside their as is stated in Revelation, they are now confined to the vicinity of the earth. In fact the word Devil means slanderer, and Satan means resister. The true name of the Angelic creature that he was before he rebelled is not known to humans, and probably never will be. The account in Job where he lost everything he possesed, and all his children was a test instituted by Satan NOT by God (many people blame God, but it was Satan that caused the damage), still it is Job's example that can inspire any inperfect human to show that we can worhip god acceptably out of love, and prove Satan a liar to his challenge. After losing pretty much everything but his life God blessed Job for his faith and restored to him everything he had lost and more. I find it odd sometimes how many people dont relate the end of the account, they only rememebr the bad parts.

Now, are we treating Christianity as theology/mythology or as your personal beliefs? And I'm discussing the Jewish portion of the Bible, not the Christianized parts.

[Living Corpse]

I think I remember something about that. Like Lucifer's the one who skreeonk things up and got Hell started or something, and Satan is the guy who runs it/collects wicked souls?

Not quite.

Satan in the Old Testament is one of Yahweh's agents.

Wait. Wut?

Yes. Satan works for God. He is the "Adversary" in God's court. When this court gathers, God has specific angels and beings that report on the specifics of the world/universe. Satan is (quite literally) the Devil's Advocate against humans. He reports the sins and wrong doings of humans. Satan is the adversary against humans, but not against God. A good example of this is the Book of Job.

Now, Christians changed the Jewish teachings up a bit. Zoroastrianism even influenced the views on God-Devil, Good/Evil.

Basically a lawyer.

[kaiju_wars]

Well, never posted here but my religious views is that I am Christian.

Am I one of the ones that follow all the rules and try to be perfect? Hell no. I am human, not God, so how can I be perfect?
I am raised United Pentacostal, but I believe is enjoy life. I also believe science has some facts, but for the most part, like it already is, is mostly theory.

I believe the "big bang" was when God made the universe, and everything went boom. Now do I think it took millions of years? No, I don't.

I respect other people's beliefs and opinions, as long as they respect mine.

But in the end, I would rather live like there was a god, die and find out there wasn't, then live like there wasn't a god, die and find out there was.

[Crocodile]

I believe the "big bang" was when God made the universe, and everything went boom. Now do I think it took millions of years? No, I don't.

No one does, it's believed the formation of the current universe took BILLIONS of years. Though since time is an irrelevant abstract, the 365 Day Year is an irrelevant unit of measurement on the cosmic stage.

[kaiju_wars]

I believe the "big bang" was when God made the universe, and everything went boom. Now do I think it took millions of years? No, I don't.

No one does, it's believed the formation of the current universe took BILLIONS of years. Though since time is an irrelevant abstract, the 365 Day Year is an irrelevant unit of measurement on the cosmic stage.

Million, billion, I still don't believe it took that long, I still believe that "the big bang" was when God made the universe, and I still believe it took only 7 days. (6 days, plus a day of rest)

[Living Corpse]

The Bibel is metaphorical, it's not meant to be take literally.

[NSZ]

The Bible is metaphorical, it's not meant to be take literally.

I don't understand how anyone can take it literally when that it's been edited as much as Wikipedia.

[Jomei]

I believe the "big bang" was when God made the universe, and everything went boom. Now do I think it took millions of years? No, I don't.

I respect other people's beliefs and opinions, as long as they respect mine.

Million, billion, I still don't believe it took that long, I still believe that "the big bang" was when God made the universe, and I still believe it took only 7 days. (6 days, plus a day of rest)

See, I don't respect that belief at all. I won't personally insult you or harass you for it, but that's as much "respect" as anyone deserves merely for holding an opinion.

You completely disregard all of the scientific evidence on cosmology and decide that a collection of ancient writings is more reliable. That's... not worthy of any kind of respect at all--just like people who believe the earth is flat do not deserve respect. If your beliefs are immune to evidence, that shows something profoundly irrational in your way of thinking about these things, and that's not a good thing. Maybe you're a totally rational person otherwise, but you're keeping your rationality away from your religious beliefs.

[Legionmaster]

just like people who believe the earth is flat do not deserve respect.

Actually, the real hardcores have spent a whole lot of time on their theories. If you look into what they've done to support their claim, they've put forth a lot of really good effort and somewhat sciencey work. Unlike Creationists, Flat-Earth theorists have put as much time and work into proving their theory as round-Earth theorists have. It's still mostly hilarious, but at least they give it the ole' college try.