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Re: Your Religous Views

Postby 3000 » Thu Sep 02, 2010 3:37 pm

Believe in God, do all my worshipping my own way and such.

not a big fan of organized religion though. Nut jobs they are. *cough*9/11mosquedebate*cough*
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Re: Your Religous Views

Postby HayesAJones » Thu Sep 02, 2010 4:04 pm

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HayesAJones wrote:I'm a man of no religion. I have basic set of morals I conduct myself by and that's about it.

At times it's so hard to get through to some theists that a person doesn't need rules written on paper or the risk of eternal hell fire to have some simple morals.

Yeah. In fact, religion as a whole just seems to be a way of softening the reality that everyone dies at some point or another. Me, I really don't look that far ahead. Death's gonna come knocking eventually, so why worry about it? People should live for the moment more often, not worry about what could be decades into the future.

That being said, the belief of an afterlife can be very useful in seeing through to the next day for those of greater faith than me.
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Re: Your Religous Views

Postby Malchik » Thu Sep 02, 2010 4:12 pm

HayesAJones wrote:That being said, the belief of an afterlife can be very useful in seeing through to the next day for those of greater faith than me.

Or ending their lives per-mature.
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Re: Your Religous Views

Postby gvamp » Thu Sep 02, 2010 4:48 pm

I have belief in a higher power but for the most part I don't believe in organized religion fundamentals. Basically I believe something created evolution and let what ever it does do it it's thing if that makes sense.
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Re: Your Religous Views

Postby HeiseiGodzilla117 » Thu Sep 02, 2010 6:19 pm

An interesting topic. It's always intriguing to see people's varying views when it comes to religion. I myself am a Christian. However, I don't go to church... and I'm not as pig-headed as so many Christian fundamentalists. I don't question what science has explained, I only feel that there is something beyond science. I feel that the likelihood of such a complex universe popping up out of nowhere is just hard to believe. Granted, I have no empirical evidence for the existence of God, as the whole point of religion is to have faith.
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Re: Your Religous Views

Postby Living Corpse » Thu Sep 02, 2010 6:23 pm

gvamp wrote:I have belief in a higher power but for the most part I don't believe in organized religion fundamentals. Basically I believe something created evolution and let what ever it does do it it's thing if that makes sense.


HeiseiGodzilla117 wrote:An interesting topic. It's always intriguing to see people's varying views when it comes to religion. I myself am a Christian. However, I don't go to church... and I'm not as pig-headed as so many Christian fundamentalists. I don't question what science has explained, I only feel that there is something beyond science. I feel that the likelihood of such a complex universe popping up out of nowhere is just hard to believe. Granted, I have no empirical evidence for the existence of God, as the whole point of religion is to have faith.



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Re: Your Religous Views

Postby DrKaiju1954 » Thu Sep 02, 2010 7:51 pm

I am a Atheist,i have never believed in God or Creation.Ive tried but i just cant believe no matter what.I believe in Evolution only.
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Re: Your Religous Views

Postby Hellblaze » Fri Sep 03, 2010 1:34 am

DrKaiju1954 wrote:I am a Atheist,i have never believed in God or Creation.Ive tried but i just cant believe no matter what.I believe in Evolution only.
Same here I've always believed in Evolution ever since I gotten into dinosaurs and the universe. I used to be a Catholic since that's how I was born and raised by my family but now ever since 9/11 I lost faith because now people are fighting over who's religion is better than the other. It's like the war between religion all over again during the Dark Ages it's ridiculous! X_X It's like little kids fighting over who's God is better than the other with their 'toys'. Now we have nut cases wanting to kill us cause they hate our way of life and religions. It's just stupid. At least Buddhism are smart enough and peaceful enough not to start a fight over religion. Right now I have no religion and probably conciser to going to Buddhism since they're peaceful and don't fight like that.
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Re: Your Religous Views

Postby gwolf » Fri Sep 03, 2010 1:53 am

Alright then. Just to get this out somewhere.

Hawkings theory is basically that the laws of physics as they are understood now allow for spontaneous universal generation, which also includes other universes. Now I'm palaeontologist, not physicist, but I do see issues, mostly around correctness and constancy. The latter, the assumption that the current physical laws have been constant through time (iffy concept there, time, another discussion) and space (given the scale of the universe we may simply be experiencing the physics of our "section" but we simply can't comprehend any shift due to the fact our little section is beyond human comprehension in scale). The former, the assumption we're right about physics. I find, as someone involved in science, that we have an enormous arrogance about our scientific knowledge. Every generation has thought it understood thing. Then as we learned more, each subsequent generation thought its new understanding MUST be the correct one. Considering how much of physics certainly is based wholly on theory, intelligent theory but theory nonetheless, it is not only possible but plausible that we have gotten an enormous number of things wrong. I would also point out that if a physicist wants to use the existing laws as disproof of God, he can. Objectivity in science is an illusion, and no matter how much they step back, every scientist will have at least on some level a subjective element in his or her methods and what information they garner from it.

I've yet to honestly see a strong scientific argument disproving God or Gods. I read the God delusion...all he did was say evolution is great and religion is evil. Evolution is neither good or bad and to view religion as "evil" is to be wholly subjective. Found the whole book to be a bit of an ego trip to be honest.

My own beliefs? Don't have any as until someone tells me what the evidence for God is, they cannot disprove or prove it to me, therefore I am not atheist, theist or agnostic. Just me. I refuse to limit myself to an uninformed opinion. I'll worry about that when I'm dead.

I probably won't read the book, because I simply don't care. Physics, metaphysics and theology (although I'm sure the god thing is a very very minor element in the book) don't interest me. But I will say, at least Hawkings knows how to talk to people about these things. I find it refreshing.
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Re: Your Religous Views

Postby Hellblaze » Fri Sep 03, 2010 1:57 am

Hawkings is a great and smart man :)
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Re: Your Religous Views

Postby Lamango » Fri Sep 03, 2010 2:59 am

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Re: Your Religous Views

Postby Arrow » Fri Sep 03, 2010 4:16 am

gwolf wrote:My own beliefs? Don't have any as until someone tells me what the evidence for God is, they cannot disprove or prove it to me, therefore I am not atheist, theist or agnostic. Just me. I refuse to limit myself to an uninformed opinion.

I'm pretty much the same as this. The constant back-and-forth bickering about the issue is tiring. I'm here now and, for now, that's what matters.

My family practices Seventh-Day Adventism, but I've only been to church a handful of times in the last couple years. I don't keep in practice with any of the "rules" of this religion nor do I participate in church-run events. I can't stand half the people there.
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Re: Your Religous Views

Postby TokyoVigilante » Fri Sep 03, 2010 5:10 am

I'm more more concerned with enjoying and developing in the life I know I have, then concerning myself with whatever may happen in a theoretical next life.

But I'm quite certain there is a cosmic force that rules the universe, and he's kind of a dick. So I live my life with that in mind.
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Re: Your Religous Views

Postby Gorosaurus Rex » Fri Sep 03, 2010 7:20 am

I'm sort of what I call a freeform Christian. I believe in a fair amount of the beliefs, but I disagree with numerous aspects of the social dogma as it applies to today's society.

On an unrelated note, being religious does not mean you are anti-evolution. The majority of most religious sects have actually accepted this theory as valid, including the Catholic Church. While there will always be fundamentalist groups who insist in believing otherwise, they are just the loudspoken minority.
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Re: Your Religous Views

Postby Malchik » Fri Sep 03, 2010 7:42 am

gwolf wrote:I've yet to honestly see a strong scientific argument disproving God or Gods.

Of course not. Science can only evaluate the natural world. It can't prove the existence that can't be tested. I will say, Dawkings has really become a college girl icon.
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Re: Your Religous Views

Postby Stuckey » Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:11 am

Hmm...I will just put it like I did when the last person asked me.
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Re: Your Religous Views

Postby Hellspawn28 » Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:26 am

I find it hard believe that people still don't believe in Evolution when I think their is enough proof that it exist.
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Re: Your Religous Views

Postby Zillas » Fri Sep 03, 2010 9:03 am

There is no scientific proof for God. There is no scientific proof for Evolution. Proof and evidence are two completely different things that are often used interchangeably. Science is not some miraculous device that will solve all our problems. It has it's limits, even in the physical universe. Only with a balance between science and faith can someone have a "complete" view of the world, correct or otherwise.

Credo in Deum Patrem omnipotentum. "I believe in God the Father almighty". The beginning of the Apostle's Creed. It goes on to state some of the most basic beliefs in the Christian faith, sadly which are no longer acknowledged by the majority of people who call themselves "Christians".
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Re: Your Religous Views

Postby HayesAJones » Fri Sep 03, 2010 1:44 pm

Stuckey wrote:Hmm...I will just put it like I did when the last person asked me.
I believe in myself.

So you worship yourself?

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Re: Your Religous Views

Postby Flygon King » Fri Sep 03, 2010 1:47 pm

Zillas... you and I are on the same page...

I am a Presbyterian Christian, one whom believes in a young earth (NOT 6,000 years old, as Ussher thought, but I personally think mor elike somewhere between 7,000 and 10,000 years...), that the days of creation were literal, 6-day events, and I believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God, and that none of it is in error... Tis so sad, how so many supposed "Christians" are post-modernists whom take "The Bible AND..." approach...
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