Y-MSF Figures Discussion Thread

[RedZillaKing]

Holy Shit! Muruchi!!

[PopInPicsPresents]

So these were posted on facebook...





...and I in turn shit bricks.

If there is one Y-MSF to ever get made again, it needs to be this one.

That's one sexy piece of plastic

They need to make more Ultra kaiju if that gets the okay!

[Legion1979]

Fumiaki has a tendency to churn out random sculpts that make everyone go apesh!t...and then the figures themselves never actually come out.

[Captain Aktion]

Uh-huh. Still cool.

[Legion1979]

Uh-huh. Still cool.

Never said it wasn't cool. Just that the odds of this actually being produced are probably pretty low.

[RedZillaKing]

I do wish it was Zoa Muruchi, though. It's a far more attractive design, IMO.

[Godzilla 2000]

Uh-huh. Still cool.

Never said it wasn't cool. Just that the odds of this actually being produced are probably pretty low.

Yes, dude, we know. You're all too eager to remind us everytime a new prototype shows up.

[creaturehuntguy]

I hate it when we're shown somthing awesome and then the company never makes with the goods!

[Captain Aktion]

Yeah, but Y-MSF figures were made for collectors to be put on a shelf. Bandais were and are made for kids.

That sounds like an excuse to rationalize the poor quality and high prices.

First, we weren't talking about Y-MSF figures and cannot comment on them as I don't own any. Secondly, what is the rationale behind, say, the Bandai King Seesar's poor quality and high prices? See, I can make blanket statements as well...

[BandaiBandit]

Yeah, but Y-MSF figures were made for collectors to be put on a shelf. Bandais were and are made for kids.

That sounds like an excuse to rationalize the poor quality and high prices.

First, we weren't talking about Y-MSF figures and cannot comment on them as I don't own any. Secondly, what is the rationale behind, say, the Bandai King Seesar's poor quality and high prices? See, I can make blanket statements as well...

[color=#0000FF] No, your blanket statement theory would not fit! Bandai was only 700 yen for the 6" figure and 1200 yen for the 8 " figure of King Caesar. Maybe you don't like the Bandai design, but it is well made/built to last!
Thin vinyl is not quality, its just cheap! You wouldn't see M1, Marusan, or X-Plus make figures that way!
Also, as far as say these toys(Y-MSF) were only made for collectors doesn't cover the fact that lot of the toys are sold to kids! Kids made up a good percentage of their market! Go to a show and you will see this first hand! I've had parents tell me that Y-MSF were not worth it(they break) and overpriced! [color]

[Godzilla 2000]

When Y-MSF came out, they charged $50 and a tagged Bandai was only $75. Y-MSF are nice designs but are cheaply made. The vinyl is very thin and would break if a kid played with it. Bandai are built to last, and are still around today! If kids play with Y-MSF they will not be around, only collectors pieces will last 20 years. The older companyies made them to last, the newer not so much. People remember that, and also remember collector toys like Y-MSF are cheaply made! If you don't believe me about the cheaply made, just push in on a Y-MSF belly the head will pop off!

That's funny, because I squished the mid-section of my Megalon and Rodan figures, and no such thing happened.

Hmmm, I wonder why that is? It couldnt be that you're just making shit up...could it?

Naw.

No, your blanket statement theory would not fit! Bandai was only 700 yen for the 6" figure and 1200 yen for the 8 " figure of King Caesar. Maybe you don't like the Bandai design, but it is well made/built to last!
Thin vinyl is not quality, its just cheap! You wouldn't see M1, Marusan, or X-Plus make figures that way!

So you're comparing the works of a one-man operation to the likes of M1, Bandai and X-Plus? Real fair.

Also, as far as say these toys(Y-MSF) were only made for collectors doesn't cover the fact that lot of the toys are sold to kids! Kids made up a good percentage of their market!

So? There are plenty of kids that manage to pick up X-Plus and Marmit figures. I've seen plenty of kids on YT that own some. Does that make them kid's toys now?

What's your point, exactly? Because you're making very little sense.

Go to a show and you will see this first hand! I've had parents tell me that Y-MSF were not worth it(they break) and overpriced!

Because they're not meant for play, just for display.

Just because kids have access to them doesnt mean they're meant for them. Just look at M rated video games, or R rated movies.

[Planetxman]

First, we weren't talking about Y-MSF figures and cannot comment on them as I don't own any.

'WE' weren't talking. PERIOD. Again you butt in on yet another thread. I quoted someone else.
Do you ever get tired of that shit ?

Yeah, but Y-MSF figures were made for collectors to be put on a shelf. Bandais were and are made for kids.

THAT is the person I quoted. Not you. I was responding to THAT person. Not you.

[UltramanGoji]

I WAS going to post my rebuttal to BandaiBandit's post:

[color=#0000FF] No, your blanket statement theory would not fit! Bandai was only 700 yen for the 6" figure and 1200 yen for the 8 " figure of King Caesar. Maybe you don't like the Bandai design, but it is well made/built to last!
Thin vinyl is not quality, its just cheap! You wouldn't see M1, Marusan, or X-Plus make figures that way!
Also, as far as say these toys(Y-MSF) were only made for collectors doesn't cover the fact that lot of the toys are sold to kids! Kids made up a good percentage of their market! Go to a show and you will see this first hand! I've had parents tell me that Y-MSF were not worth it(they break) and overpriced! [color]

Keep in mind that Y-MSF is not a major company like Bandai. It's one guy making a mold, then mass producing it to a limited number (about 1000 a piece). That's the reason why they are so expensive and why the vinyl is not high quality like Bandai.

Again, M1 and Maursan are toy companies that have hundreds of workers. Same for X-Plus. Not one guy.

Well it's the parents own fault for buying the figure if they think it's overpriced.

But I think G2K summed it up better than I did.

[BandaiBandit]

I WAS going to post my rebuttal to BandaiBandit's post:

No, your blanket statement theory would not fit! Bandai was only 700 yen for the 6" figure and 1200 yen for the 8 " figure of King Caesar. Maybe you don't like the Bandai design, but it is well made/built to last!
Thin vinyl is not quality, its just cheap! You wouldn't see M1, Marusan, or X-Plus make figures that way!
Also, as far as say these toys(Y-MSF) were only made for collectors doesn't cover the fact that lot of the toys are sold to kids! Kids made up a good percentage of their market! Go to a show and you will see this first hand! I've had parents tell me that Y-MSF were not worth it(they break) and overpriced! [color]

Keep in mind that Y-MSF is not a major company like Bandai. It's one guy making a mold, then mass producing it to a limited number (about 1000 a piece). That's the reason why they are so expensive and why the vinyl is not high quality like Bandai.

Again, M1 and Maursan are toy companies that have hundreds of workers. Same for X-Plus. Not one guy.

Well it's the parents own fault for buying the figure if they think it's overpriced.

But I think G2K summed it up better than I did.

[color=#0000FF]I'll give you the Bandai theory other than the vinyl quality, F-MSF could thickin up their figures a little.
When M1 started he didn't have but just a few workers and did most of the molding himself. His toys were never poorly made! Marusan has been around, but never made thin vinyl figures.

[Godzilla 2000]

I'll give you the Bandai theory other than the vinyl quality, F-MSF could thickin up their figures a little.

Y-MSF.

Not sure why you misspell it on purpose.

When M1 started he didn't have but just a few workers and did most of the molding himself. His toys were never poorly made! Marusan has been around, but never made thin vinyl figures. [/color][/b]

M1 is no longer a small operation. Y-MSF still is, and it's just a hobby to him at that.

First off, I don't have to make shit up! That did happen in front of a several people(people on this board) at Frank Son Show in LA. At a booth own by one of the bigger Japanese dealer around! Way before the toy hit the mainstream market, because he knows the company owners of Y-MSF!

Ok.

Can you prove it? Do you know anyone on this board that witnessed this? Can you back up this claim in any way possible?

And if so, what figure was it? Was it a prototype or a final product?

Did you ever think it was just a bad figure? Not indicative of ALL Y-MSF figures?

Because I've never heard of someone squishing the belly and having a head pop off. And even if that were true, that would require a very loose head and, ya know, AIR PRESSURE.

BTW Fixed the bolded.

I have been selling Godzilla toys for 25 years, and know what I'm talking about when it comes to vinyls. BTW...Kids are the larger target audience, because they are toys! Poor quality is just poor quality![/color][/b]

So all those marmits and marusans and M1s are for kids as well? I mean, after all, going by that logica, they are just toys, which are meant for kids.

Maybe if you came up with a better argument than shouting "THEY'RE CHEAP THEY'RE CHEAP" several times, we could go somewhere with all this.

I have the 2nd Megalon mold and the first Rodan, and never had anything break or fall apart. These things arent brittle.

I mean, what are you guys doing to your figures exactly? Banging them around until something comes loose or just leaving them on a shelf like you would any other figure?

You guys complain about the vinyl being cheap, but what does it matter if the figure is just going to sit on a shelf anyway?

[GreenAiden555]

Anyone know when the flying Hedorah gets released? I'd like to know!

[Godzilla 2000]

Anyone know when the flying Hedorah gets released? I'd like to know!

We've no idea if it will be released period.

[BandaiBandit]

When Y-MSF came out, they charged $50 and a tagged Bandai was only $75. Y-MSF are nice designs but are cheaply made. The vinyl is very thin and would break if a kid played with it. Bandai are built to last, and are still around today! If kids play with Y-MSF they will not be around, only collectors pieces will last 20 years. The older companyies made them to last, the newer not so much. People remember that, and also remember collector toys like Y-MSF are cheaply made! If you don't believe me about the cheaply made, just push in on a Y-MSF belly the head will pop off!

That's funny, because I squished the mid-section of my Megalon and Rodan figures, and no such thing happened.

Hmmm, I wonder why that is? It couldnt be that you're just making shit up...could it?

Naw.

No, your blanket statement theory would not fit! Bandai was only 700 yen for the 6" figure and 1200 yen for the 8 " figure of King Caesar. Maybe you don't like the Bandai design, but it is well made/built to last!
Thin vinyl is not quality, its just cheap! You wouldn't see M1, Marusan, or X-Plus make figures that way!

So you're comparing the works of a one-man operation to the likes of M1, Bandai and X-Plus? Real fair.

Also, as far as say these toys(Y-MSF) were only made for collectors doesn't cover the fact that lot of the toys are sold to kids! Kids made up a good percentage of their market!

So? There are plenty of kids that manage to pick up X-Plus and Marmit figures. I've seen plenty of kids on YT that own some. Does that make them kid's toys now?

What's your point, exactly? Because you're making very little sense.

Go to a show and you will see this first hand! I've had parents tell me that Y-MSF were not worth it(they break) and overpriced!

Because they're not meant for play, just for display.

Just because kids have access to them doesnt mean they're meant for them. Just look at M rated video games, or R rated movies.

First off, I don't have to make shit up! That did happen in front of a several people(people on this board) at Frank Son Show in LA. At a booth own by one of the bigger Japanese dealer around! Way before the toy hit the mainstream market, because he knows the company owners of F-MSF! I have been selling Godzilla toys for 25 years, and know what I'm talking about when it comes to vinyls. BTW...Kids are the larger target audience, because they are toys! Poor quality is just poor quality!

If the people who were there when the Y-MSF Megalon popped out want to say something they will! Kumonga is another example of light weight figures put out by Y-MSF, its also squishy! Making crap up is not my MO, and my customers will back my reputation!
My point is what it is! Y-MSF is cheaply made and generally over priced.

[Planetxman]

My point is what it is! Y-MSF is cheaply made and generally over priced.

I tend to agree. However I would buy The Kumonga and maybe The Gabara IF they were about 20 bucks each. You cannot defend their thin vinyl no matter what excuse you want to give. I've held both many times over and considered buying them. But I am not paying $50 for a 6" toy of that quality.

[Godzilla 2000]

First off, I don't have to make shit up! That did happen in front of a several people(people on this board) at Frank Son Show in LA. At a booth own by one of the bigger Japanese dealer around! Way before the toy hit the mainstream market, because he knows the company owners of F-MSF! I have been selling Godzilla toys for 25 years, and know what I'm talking about when it comes to vinyls. BTW...Kids are the larger target audience, because they are toys! Poor quality is just poor quality!

Already answered all of this.

If you want to actually address my points, feel free.

If the people who were there when the Y-MSF Megalon popped out want to say something they will!

So that's a no, then?

Kumonga is another example of light weight figures put out by Y-MSF, its also squishy!

Because it's hollow, and made of softer vinyl, just like most of the Bandai figures produced in the last, say, 10 YEARS.

What an incredibly weak argument.

Making crap up is not my MO, and my customers will back my reputation! My point is what it is! Y-MSF is cheaply made and generally over priced. [/color][/b]

Then dont buy them.

It's a strange and crazy concept, I know.

You say you've been selling figures for years now. I'm starting to wonder if you're just upset with being unable to buy these for a pittance only to turn around and sell them for a premium.

I tend to agree. However I would buy The Kumonga and maybe The Gabara IF they were about 20 bucks each. You cannot defend their thin vinyl no matter what excuse you want to give.

Actually, I can and I will. And you dont have to like it.

If there's a reason for it, there's a reason for it. Trying to ignore that reason for the sake of your own argument doesnt make it any less true.