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Re: SH Monsterarts!

Postby JVM » Wed Jul 20, 2011 12:42 am

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tymon wrote:I got a closer look at those new pictures..Godzilla 94 definitely doesn't look nearly as good as the prototype. I'm guessing this is usually the case with new toys, but it's a little disappointing.


Yeah, this is how it always is. I dunno, I guess I accepted that a long time ago. There is something to be said, however, for holding them in your hands. I didn't think I cared at all about vintage styled figures until I got one in my hands. I've been in love ever since...


This is why I avoid buying figures until I've seen them at G-Fest or somewhere first. A lot of figures "pop" in person. A good example to me is the Bandai GMK Godzilla. Really didn't seem that interesting to me until I saw it at G-Fest, and after a few years I gave in and bought it and it's really a spectacular figure and I'm not even fond of the suit it's based on.
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Re: SH Monsterarts!

Postby gojimatt » Wed Jul 20, 2011 12:54 am

This is true of the sci-fi revoltech as well, they look ok in the pictures but look much better in person. Having said that I am a little concerned by the length of Godzilla's arms, they seem a little lanky more so than the prototypes but we'll see I guess.
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Re: SH Monsterarts!

Postby kkawachi » Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:10 pm

Got to see these in person at the SDCC. Godzilla looks better than some of the images i've seen online, but not as good as the prototype. Certainly not "suit accurate" though. Mechagodzilla and Moguera look fairly amazing, the mechanical kaiju seem to be pulled off well. Space Godzilla had an amazing level of detail, but again was a little off kilter and not quite "suit accurate".

Now for the bad news, these are not in a 6" scale. A hair bigger than Revoltechs, but a hair smaller than your average Bandai. What fun! they wont be in scale with anything but themselves.

Also saw some Revoltechs in person finally. Baragon, Mogera, and Showa Gamera look great, and Anguirus looked good too.
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Re: SH Monsterarts!

Postby Godzilla 2000 » Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:49 pm

Wait wait wait. They're UNDER 6 inches? And they're over $60 each!?

skreeonk that noise.

Does this company not want these things to sell at all?

"Oh yeah, its under 6'' tall, comes with dumb accessories, and isnt completely suit accurate. That'll be $70 + $10 shipping. Expect it in 2 weeks."

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Re: SH Monsterarts!

Postby tymon » Sat Jul 23, 2011 12:13 am

The face of the 94 Godzilla prototype was the most suit-accurate version of a Heisei Godzilla figure I've ever seen, undeniably. Too bad this one doesn't live up, but it still looks great and it will definitely be mine. I'm starting up a collection from scratch (other than the five Bandais I found in the attic a few weeks back), so scale isn't an issue for me thankfully. I'll just buy more of these, and hopefully all the waves will be in scale with eachother.

As for the accessories...they're lame, yeah, but no one's forcing you to use them. Throw em' away if you want.
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Re: SH Monsterarts!

Postby Captain Aktion » Sat Jul 23, 2011 12:56 am

^I just started one from scratch this a few months ago. We should trade pics some time...
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Re: SH Monsterarts!

Postby Legion1979 » Sat Jul 23, 2011 7:38 am

Why would Bandai WANT to make these figures in scale with anything else if this is the start of a completely new series? This series isn't meant to compliment your Bandai toys, guys.

Scale is overrated.
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Re: SH Monsterarts!

Postby Godz » Sat Jul 23, 2011 7:56 am

I think scale is important, but, Heisei monsters were bigger than the Showa ones, so I'm fine with these being bigger than Revoltech
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Re: SH Monsterarts!

Postby Godzilla 2000 » Sat Jul 23, 2011 1:00 pm

Legion1979 wrote:Why would Bandai WANT to make these figures in scale with anything else if this is the start of a completely new series? This series isn't meant to compliment your Bandai toys, guys.

Scale is overrated.


Scale is the primary reason I have not and will not buy any of the Revoltech figures.

Its great that they're super posable, but if they dont fit in sale with other toys, then you cant really do much with them. You cant display your Revoltech Gigan with your Bandai Ghidorah or Godzilla; he's too damn small. So you're stuck with displaying him with other Revoltechs.

I was expecting the Godzilla to at least be the same size as the typical 6'' Heisei Godzilla. If he is a hair smaller, thats ok, because Godzilla is supposed to be smaller than his foes. But he's also a hair bigger than Revoltechs? Err, last I checked, Revoltechs were skreeonk tiny. So its either more than "just a hair bigger" or more than "just a hair smaller."

And for someone like me, who makes stop motions and other little movies with these things, scale is important.

The Godzilla is definitely want, but that may be just about it, because that price tag is just silly.
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Re: SH Monsterarts!

Postby Captain Aktion » Sat Jul 23, 2011 1:12 pm

^I have Revoltechs, Ultra-Acts, and SH Figuarts, and honestly? They look great together. If the Monsterarts are to scale with the Figuarts, then yes, they'll be shorter than Bandais, but just about on scale to Revoltechs. Rodan and Gigan might look a little short, but it doesn't bother me much. In the mental battle arena of my figures, there's a little room for variation. The most important thing for me, though? Revolt Anguirus is going to look amazing standing next to the Heisei Godzilla...
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Re: SH Monsterarts!

Postby Godz » Sat Jul 23, 2011 2:44 pm

I don't wanna sound like a grumpy old bastard (Ok, maybe I do) but ya'll who complain about $70 figures....can you imagine collecting in the days before eBay, when you had to call dealers or be lucky enough to live near one, and pay $200 and up for something like a Bandai Baragon that now commonly goes for $80 or less, with tag? Just saying...
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Re: SH Monsterarts!

Postby Captain Aktion » Sat Jul 23, 2011 7:25 pm

^I do know what it was like then. That's why I'm only now starting a collection...
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Re: SH Monsterarts!

Postby Legion1979 » Sat Jul 23, 2011 9:08 pm

Captain Aktion wrote:^I have Revoltechs, Ultra-Acts, and SH Figuarts, and honestly? They look great together. If the Monsterarts are to scale with the Figuarts, then yes, they'll be shorter than Bandais, but just about on scale to Revoltechs. Rodan and Gigan might look a little short, but it doesn't bother me much. In the mental battle arena of my figures, there's a little room for variation. The most important thing for me, though? Revolt Anguirus is going to look amazing standing next to the Heisei Godzilla...


That's what I love. An open mind. Thank you.

The Japanese really don't give a crap if collectors in America make cheap little videos with their toys. Bandai does not owe anyone action figures that are in the same scale as a competing company. That wouldn't even make sense. And this isn't meant to compliment the vinyls either. Why would they want to make something the exact same size as their cheaper vinyl figures? A completely different scale forces a collector to buy all the figures if they want all the monsters in the same scale. That just makes more sense from a business standpoint. This is a completely new line meant to stand on it's own.

Complain about the price, not about the fact that Bandai seems to have it out for your Youtube videos.
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Re: SH Monsterarts!

Postby Godzilla 2000 » Sat Jul 23, 2011 9:16 pm

Legion1979 wrote:
Captain Aktion wrote:^I have Revoltechs, Ultra-Acts, and SH Figuarts, and honestly? They look great together. If the Monsterarts are to scale with the Figuarts, then yes, they'll be shorter than Bandais, but just about on scale to Revoltechs. Rodan and Gigan might look a little short, but it doesn't bother me much. In the mental battle arena of my figures, there's a little room for variation. The most important thing for me, though? Revolt Anguirus is going to look amazing standing next to the Heisei Godzilla...


That's what I love. An open mind. Thank you.

The Japanese really don't give a crap if collectors in America make cheap little videos with their toys. Bandai does not owe anyone action figures that are in the same scale as a competing company.


So Bandai is now competing with...Bandai?

And this isn't meant to compliment the vinyls either. Why would they want to make something the exact same size as their cheaper vinyl figures?


A better incentive to buy them?

"Look, same size, but more articulation. Two steps forward, zero steps back."

A completely different scale forces a collector to buy all the figures if they want all the monsters in the same scale. That just makes more sense from a business standpoint. This is a completely new line meant to stand on it's own.


What if it cant stand on its own? Then what? They're screwed because they made 4-5 figures that only scale up with each other.

Complain about the price, not about the fact that Bandai seems to have it out for your Youtube videos.


Bigger is better.

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Re: SH Monsterarts!

Postby Primevalgodzilla V2 » Sat Jul 23, 2011 9:23 pm

I never really understood why people are so obsessed over scale. On some videos, I see people reviewing Kaiyodo's Revoltechs and going 'er, very good detail, great articulation, really nice features, but I'm gonna notch it a few points as it doesn;t match up to my Bandai '68' Godzilla. I mean, really? Revoltech dhouldn;t have to try and make way for Bandai.

Okay, so this time Bandai's changging their scale, but this is a brand new line and series. Its not really important for them to scale it since they are of a separate series, and as long as the figures of the new line scale well against each other it shouldnl;t pose a problem
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Re: SH Monsterarts!

Postby Legion1979 » Sat Jul 23, 2011 9:27 pm

Godzilla 2000 wrote:So Bandai is now competing with...Bandai?


I'm talking about the Revoltech line. I think what I said was very clear.

Primevalgodzilla V2 wrote:I never really understood why people are so obsessed over scale. On some videos, I see people reviewing Kaiyodo's Revoltechs and going 'er, very good detail, great articulation, really nice features, but I'm gonna notch it a few points as it doesn;t match up to my Bandai '68' Godzilla. I mean, really?


Yeah, really. I see this shit all the time and it aggravates the living piss out of me. Review a toy on it's own terms. Critique the sculpt, the design and the paint. Don't knock the f@cking thing because it doesn't scale with the random Bandai Creation toy you want it to fight with in a Youtube video. Gah.
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Re: SH Monsterarts!

Postby Godzilla 2000 » Sat Jul 23, 2011 9:30 pm

Legion1979 wrote:
Godzilla 2000 wrote:So Bandai is now competing with...Bandai?


I'm talking about the Revoltech line. I think what I said was very clear.


Well, I was talking about the Tamashii line. lol.
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Re: SH Monsterarts!

Postby attilagodzilla » Sun Jul 24, 2011 12:55 am

Primevalgodzilla V2 wrote:I never really understood why people are so obsessed over scale. On some videos, I see people reviewing Kaiyodo's Revoltechs and going 'er, very good detail, great articulation, really nice features, but I'm gonna notch it a few points as it doesn;t match up to my Bandai '68' Godzilla. I mean, really? Revoltech dhouldn;t have to try and make way for Bandai.

Okay, so this time Bandai's changging their scale, but this is a brand new line and series. Its not really important for them to scale it since they are of a separate series, and as long as the figures of the new line scale well against each other it shouldnl;t pose a problem


finally someoneelse who doesn't understand the scale obsession
I just care for the figure itself and i thought revoltech gigan looked great next to my bandai 8'' gigan.
Sad that the sh monsterarts are a bitpricey but i still gonna buy them.
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Re: SH Monsterarts!

Postby Godzilla 2000 » Sun Jul 24, 2011 8:36 am

Legion1979 wrote:Yeah, really. I see this shit all the time and it aggravates the living piss out of me. Review a toy on it's own terms. Critique the sculpt, the design and the paint. Don't knock the f@cking thing because it doesn't scale with the random Bandai Creation toy you want it to fight with in a Youtube video. Gah.


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Well, excuse me for preferring the 6'' scale.

I'm just saying that it'd look better displayed with my other figures if they were all able to match up. If you dont care about scale, thats fine, but that doesnt mean you can just start slamming those who do care.

After all, the Ultra-Act figures are 6'' scale. Dont see why these cant be as well. Would be a great way to market them both; "Godzilla vs Ultraman."
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Re: SH Monsterarts!

Postby Legion1979 » Sun Jul 24, 2011 8:42 am

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Well, excuse me for preferring the 6'' scale.

I'm just saying that it'd look better displayed with my other figures if they were all able to match up. If you dont care about scale, thats fine, but that doesnt mean you can just start slamming those who do care.

After all, the Ultra-Act figures are 6'' scale. Dont see why these cant be as well. Would be a great way to market them both; "Godzilla vs Ultraman."


Since when does Bandai EVER mix their Godzilla and Ultraman licenses in any way shape or form. Godzilla is it's own separate thing. Man, you must really hate the 8" Toho Bandais for not being in scale with the 6" Ultramonsters huh? Damn, if only Bandai knew how disappointed American collectors are in their toys and the lack of accurate scale. If only they knew how important Youtube reviews and stop motion videos were to young American collectors. Then everything would be in scale and we'd all be happy.

Sure they'd look better scaled correctly, but that's not the point of these new toys. Don't knock them because they're not what YOU want. It's that sense of entitlement again I see all the time in hardcore fans.
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