New kaiju game from Matt Frank + Simon Strange [Archive]

[Megalon-5]

So basically, you'd get the rights for Godzilla and pals, the non Godzilla Toho monsters, Gamera's menagerie and potentially Kong and they'd be separate downloadable purchased to the game? That sounds like a good way to go around things.

But let's say you release the Godzilla pack and the you release a Gamera pack, would Toho not care because it's a different product or would they get mad that you guys found a way around their policies?

[Mr. Strange]

So basically, you'd get the rights for Godzilla and pals, the non Godzilla Toho monsters, Gamera's menagerie and potentially Kong and they'd be separate downloadable purchased to the game? That sounds like a good way to go around things.

But let's say you release the Godzilla pack and the you release a Gamera pack, would Toho not care because it's a different product or would they get mad that you guys found a way around their policies?

That is a good question - and it is why negotiations for licensing are a drawn-out and tricky process.

[Tyler]

I think sticking with Toho monsters is a good idea.

[Svitska Donkun]

Mr. Strange, can I get a comment on the Possibilty of Gargantua's or Gezora in the game? A swuid is a unique monster within the roster, and the Garagantua's could easily be ONE gargantua with 3 different skins, being Sanda, Gaira, and Frankenstein(Who is Public Domain).

Also, another question regarding if, which seems unlikely now, we do it with all "original" monsters, is it at all possible in that sense to get any support from the guys who made War of the Monsters? Clearly it would be modeled more after a Godzilla game than War of the Monsters, but it would be GREAT to play as Togera again. I really love Togera.

[Legionmaster]

Gezora is a cuttlefish, not a squid.

[Svitska Donkun]

Gezora is a cuttlefish, not a squid.

According to Wikipedia he's a squid, but cuttlefish and squid are so closely related ti squid that the point to distinct the two would be splitting hairs. It's like comparing a Leopard to a Jaguar, in this sense they're pretty much the same thing. And Gezora's physiology and lack of camouflage abilities make it much more in line with a squid. But really there is no point in arguing this at ALL. It would be cool to have a giant squid in the roster, and Gezora fits the bill.

[Legionmaster]

Gezora is a cuttlefish, not a squid.

According to Wikipedia he's a squid, but cuttlefish and squid are so closely related ti squid that the point to distinct the two would be splitting hairs. It's like comparing a Leopard to a Jaguar, in this sense they're pretty much the same thing. And Gezora's physiology and lack of camouflage abilities make it much more in line with a squid. But really there is no point in arguing this at ALL. It would be cool to have a giant squid in the roster, and Gezora fits the bill.

He very clearly has the mantle shape of a cuttlefish. He also has no color changing abilities whatsoever, unlike almost all cephalopods, so that point is moot anyway.

[zilla103192]

Gezora is a cuttlefish, not a squid.

According to Wikipedia he's a squid, but cuttlefish and squid are so closely related ti squid that the point to distinct the two would be splitting hairs. It's like comparing a Leopard to a Jaguar, in this sense they're pretty much the same thing. And Gezora's physiology and lack of camouflage abilities make it much more in line with a squid. But really there is no point in arguing this at ALL. It would be cool to have a giant squid in the roster, and Gezora fits the bill.

But he's still a cuttlefish.

[Svitska Donkun]

He very clearly has the mantle shape of a cuttlefish. He also has no color changing abilities whatsoever, unlike almost all cephalopods, so that point is moot anyway.

But the ability to change color and camouflage are a distinct attribute of cuttlefish. So lacking that ability would contradict it being one of the species...

Cephalopods encompass Squids, Octopi, Cuttlefish, and Ammonites. Gezora contians features from more than one kind of Cephalopod, so I do not think it is unreasonable to refer it as a Squid.

[Mr. Strange]

Mr. Strange, can I get a comment on the Possibilty of Gargantua's or Gezora in the game? A swuid is a unique monster within the roster, and the Garagantua's could easily be ONE gargantua with 3 different skins, being Sanda, Gaira, and Frankenstein(Who is Public Domain).

Also, another question regarding if, which seems unlikely now, we do it with all "original" monsters, is it at all possible in that sense to get any support from the guys who made War of the Monsters? Clearly it would be modeled more after a Godzilla game than War of the Monsters, but it would be GREAT to play as Togera again. I really love Togera.

I've made several monster squids with my team in the Rampage games. Cal, Natalie, Jill (google them) all fit that bill. I'm not familiar with Garagantua, but if he's a big human that seems pretty trivial.

Your second paragraph is rather unclear - what is "unlikely now" ? I totally intend to have several "releases" with all-original monsters. Do you mean license the characters from WoTM as a release? Or do you mean contact them for design or engine advice?

But the ability to change color and camouflage are a distinct attribute of cuttlefish. So lacking that ability would contradict it being one of the species...

Yes, and of course giant apes are know for their lightning powers! And Ostrich stick their heads in the sand, and lemmings run off cliffs.

[Svitska Donkun]

[b]I've made several monster squids with my team in the Rampage games. Cal, Natalie, Jill (google them) all fit that bill.

But Gezora is already a monster within the Toho universe, has many fans within the donation base, and would fit in well with the other monsters aesthetically

I'm not familiar with Garagantua, but if he's a big human that seems pretty trivial.

You are aware of Frankenstein vs. Baragon, right? I recall Baragon being one of your favorites, so I assume you know of his original film. Frankenstein, in the film, is technically a Garagantua. There is a direct sequel to the film called War of the Gargantuas, which is a fan favorite. In the film its established that Frankenstein split into two monsters, Sanda(Who is orange, kind hearted and lives in the mountains) and Gaira(Who is green, evil, and lives in the sea.) They are pretty much the same monster, just different colors and different personalities, but same fighting style. and they are humanoid. Both are covered in fur, however. The original Frankenstein they spawned from was bare skinned.

[quote]Your second paragraph is rather unclear - what is "unlikely now" ? I totally intend to have several "releases" with all-original monsters. Do you mean license the characters from WoTM as a release? Or do you mean contact them for design or engine advice?[quote]

What you intend does not necessarily mean what we get, at this point it seems as if its more in favor of Toho monsters taking priority in whatever game we create, in the default, first version, rather than original monsters first. That's what I meant. And what I mean for the latter s actually all three. Any consideration towards them in acquiring characters or help in development?

[Legionmaster]

But the ability to change color and camouflage are a distinct attribute of cuttlefish.

Wat. All octopuses and squids can do it too.

You still haven't refuted the fact that he's in the shape of a cuttlefish, not a squid.

Shooting ice beams would be cool.

[Living Corpse]

Oh boy, hope I can clear up some confusion, Mr. Strange. This is the Frankenstein (monster) they are referring to.

http://www.tohokingdom.com/kaiju/frankenstein.htm

And here are Sanda and Gaira.

http://www.tohokingdom.com/kaiju/sanda.htm

http://www.tohokingdom.com/kaiju/gaira.htm

Gaira was mentioned in the first Kiryu film along with several other monsters, and Baragon's first film had him fighting Frankenstein before showing up in Destroy All Monsters so technically they are a part of the Godzilla universe a bit barely.

On a side note Kambeoas also showed up in Tokyo S.O.S. as a dead corpse with Godzilla's slash marks in it's neck.

[Svitska Donkun]

Oh boy, hope I can clear up some confusion, Mr. Strange. This is the Frankenstein (monster) they are referring to.

I thought I did a fine job explaining. =[

so technically they are a part of the Godzilla universe a bit barely.

More so than Varan.....

[Crocodile]

But the ability to change color and camouflage are a distinct attribute of cuttlefish.

Wat. All octopuses and squids can do it too.

You still haven't refuted the fact that he's in the shape of a cuttlefish, not a squid.

Shooting ice beams would be cool.

I thought Gezora just fired full on Mana blasts out his tentacles?

[Kaiju-King42]

Mr. Strange, can I get a comment on the Possibilty of Gargantua's or Gezora in the game? A swuid is a unique monster within the roster, and the Garagantua's could easily be ONE gargantua with 3 different skins, being Sanda, Gaira, and Frankenstein(Who is Public Domain).

Or...

A giant ape.

[Svitska Donkun]

Or...

A giant ape.

Ape physiology is far different from an upright, humanoid, being. Different skeletons, different muscle mass, different proportions. Unless you were to go with Toho-Kong(unlikely) you would never see an ape like Frankenstein, Sanda, or Gaira.

[skuzzy-punk-kid]

Or...

A giant ape.

Ape physiology is far different from an upright, humanoid, being. Different skeletons, different muscle mass, different proportions. Unless you were to go with Toho-Kong(unlikely) you would never see an ape like Frankenstein, Sanda, or Gaira.

I agree with the morphological differences between Kong and the Gargantuas. Even if they used the Toho incarnation, Kong's arms are still much longer than the Gargantuas. Conversely, the Gargantuas' legs are longer in proportion than Kong's. And I do recall reading somewhere that the Gargantuas were about as tall as Baragon (each). Judging by morphology, Jet Jaguar's stance would not work...nor Orga's (despite the fact that Orga also has proportionately long arms). Orga's arms are far longer in proportion than Kong's. Animations will have to be created from scratch for Kong's frame; every ape creature in my view needs the chest-beating animation. But the Gargantua's (on the other hand), chest-beating doesn't really suit them...

[Svitska Donkun]

The young-blood is smart.

[skuzzy-punk-kid]

The young-blood is smart.

You flatter me. I wish I was as young as you described...