No More Pipeworks Godzilla Games (Petition)

[Living Corpse]

Hell I'd even pay for a Godzilla game in the fashion of a 2D fighter made by NRS. Even their glitches arn't as bad because they don't having freaking Atari breathing down their necks.

[Kyono_Rei]

I still rage over the inclusion of varan, who is barely relevant to the Godzilla mythos at all, aside from a 2 second shot, instead of Hedorah, being one of Godzilla's deadliest adversaries and a fairly significant monster. He had his own "vs." film for God's sake.

Well, I like Varan, but I do know what you mean and yeah not having Hedorah is kind of weird.
To make things clear: I don't own the game (as I don't have any gaming console, just a PC), but I've seen other people play this game.

[Living Corpse]

I still rage over the inclusion of varan, who is barely relevant to the Godzilla mythos at all, aside from a 2 second shot, instead of Hedorah, being one of Godzilla's deadliest adversaries and a fairly significant monster. He had his own "vs." film for God's sake.

I like it because honestly we need new blood. Don't get me wrong, Mechagodzilla is awesome and all but after playing him in countless games....yeah Varan was a nice change of pace and if a new game is announce (hopefully by someone who won't be rushed by their publiser, I'm looking at you Atari) I'm going to make a petion to get Zone Fighter in.

[Svitska Donkun]

I still rage over the inclusion of varan, who is barely relevant to the Godzilla mythos at all, aside from a 2 second shot, instead of Hedorah, being one of Godzilla's deadliest adversaries and a fairly significant monster. He had his own "vs." film for God's sake.

I like it because honestly we need new blood. Don't get me wrong, Mechagodzilla is awesome and all but after playing him in countless games....yeah Varan was a nice change of pace and if a new game is announce (hopefully by someone who won't be rushed by their publiser, I'm looking at you Atari) I'm going to make a petion to get Zone Fighter in.

But...Zone Fighter isn't a Godzilla monster, even though Godzilla got a couple cameos in his show...Varan's barely a Godzilla monster either. I think its silly to want these irrelevant monsters in the game when we can't even get all the major Godzilla enemies first.

[Legion1979]

What's with everyone screaming for ZF to get into one of these games? I doubt he'd be included in the Godzilla license even if someone making a new game actually wanted him to be in it.

[Gojira-Fan]

Why don't we just put rocket launchers on Jet Jaguars wrists? Wouldn't that be like the same thing?

[Gigan X3]

Only better since Jet Jaguar knows how to smile.

[JVM]

I still rage over the inclusion of varan, who is barely relevant to the Godzilla mythos at all, aside from a 2 second shot, instead of Hedorah, being one of Godzilla's deadliest adversaries and a fairly significant monster. He had his own "vs." film for God's sake.

I like it because honestly we need new blood. Don't get me wrong, Mechagodzilla is awesome and all but after playing him in countless games....yeah Varan was a nice change of pace and if a new game is announce (hopefully by someone who won't be rushed by their publiser, I'm looking at you Atari) I'm going to make a petion to get Zone Fighter in.

But...Zone Fighter isn't a Godzilla monster, even though Godzilla got a couple cameos in his show...Varan's barely a Godzilla monster either. I think its silly to want these irrelevant monsters in the game when we can't even get all the major Godzilla enemies first.

Hedorah wasn't going to be in from the get-go.

Basically you'd rather have 19 monsters instead of 20?

(G54, G90s, MG2, and MKG are clones and only about five Godzilla fans count Obby and Krys.)

What's with everyone screaming for ZF to get into one of these games? I doubt he'd be included in the Godzilla license even if someone making a new game actually wanted him to be in it.

Nobody's screaming for it.

Not like it matters. The next Godzilla game's already practically confirmed to be an adaption of the 2012 film, it won't include any classic monsters at all.

[Living Corpse]

I still rage over the inclusion of varan, who is barely relevant to the Godzilla mythos at all, aside from a 2 second shot, instead of Hedorah, being one of Godzilla's deadliest adversaries and a fairly significant monster. He had his own "vs." film for God's sake.

I like it because honestly we need new blood. Don't get me wrong, Mechagodzilla is awesome and all but after playing him in countless games....yeah Varan was a nice change of pace and if a new game is announce (hopefully by someone who won't be rushed by their publiser, I'm looking at you Atari) I'm going to make a petion to get Zone Fighter in.

But...Zone Fighter isn't a Godzilla monster, even though Godzilla got a couple cameos in his show...Varan's barely a Godzilla monster either. I think its silly to want these irrelevant monsters in the game when we can't even get all the major Godzilla enemies first.

He fought with Godzilla, ergo he's fair game.

[Svitska Donkun]

Hedorah wasn't going to be in from the get-go.

Basically you'd rather have 19 monsters instead of 20?

No, I'd rather have actual significant monsters in the game than monsters put in for shits and giggles. Strange told me that Varan got in just because he liked Varan, and that Hedorah was out because it would be "too hard". Think about this for a second. If we're gonna throw in nothings like Varan, why not Manda, or Kamacuras? Atleast they actually did something in the franchise.

[Gigan X3]

Hedorah wasn't going to be in from the get-go.

Basically you'd rather have 19 monsters instead of 20?

No, I'd rather have actual significant monsters in the game than monsters put in for shits and giggles. Strange told me that Varan got in just because he liked Varan, and that Hedorah was out because it would be "too hard". Think about this for a second. If we're gonna throw in nothings like Varan, why not Manda, or Kamacuras? Atleast they actually did something in the franchise.

It's not about doing something for the franchise, at least not 100% of the time when chosing characters, variety means something and Varan very well does that. Kamacuras would have been a lamer version of Megaguirus and Manda would most likely be bottom tier material.

[Dynomy84]

Hedorah wasn't going to be in from the get-go.

Basically you'd rather have 19 monsters instead of 20?

No, I'd rather have actual significant monsters in the game than monsters put in for shits and giggles. Strange told me that Varan got in just because he liked Varan, and that Hedorah was out because it would be "too hard". Think about this for a second. If we're gonna throw in nothings like Varan, why not Manda, or Kamacuras? Atleast they actually did something in the franchise.

It's not about doing something for the franchise, at least not 100% of the time when chosing characters, variety means something and Varan very well does that. Kamacuras would have been a lamer version of Megaguirus and Manda would most likely be bottom tier material.

That, and wasn't Varan intended to be in STE?

[Gigan X3]

I'm not sure but I'm glad Pipeworks didn't go for popularity on all the choices, it gives a chance to shine to some lesser known characters.

[Legion1979]

Varan was no doubt chosen over Hedora for programming reasons.

[Svitska Donkun]

It's not about doing something for the franchise, at least not 100% of the time when chosing characters, variety means something and Varan very well does that. Kamacuras would have been a lamer version of Megaguirus and Manda would most likely be bottom tier material.

Variety my taint. Varan is another dinosaur. Lets see here, we have Anguirus, Baragon, Titanosaurus, and 3 Godzilla's. Do we really need another one? especially when we already have two quadrapedic dinosaurs? Sure he can fly somewhat, but so can Rodan. How many Sludge monsters are in the Godzilla games. That moveset would be infinitely more interesting than a combination of Baragon and Rodan. And I wan't serious about Kamacuras are Manda, that was joke based on how much more relevant they are to Godzilla.

[JVM]

Hedorah wasn't going to be in from the get-go.

Basically you'd rather have 19 monsters instead of 20?

No, I'd rather have actual significant monsters in the game than monsters put in for shits and giggles. Strange told me that Varan got in just because he liked Varan, and that Hedorah was out because it would be "too hard". Think about this for a second. If we're gonna throw in nothings like Varan, why not Manda, or Kamacuras? Atleast they actually did something in the franchise.

So yeah. 19 monsters instead of 20. Great idea. And what the hell did Manda do in the Godzilla franchise itself? He had three cameo roles in three virtually unrelated films and a mention in ToMG. Varan got a solo film and a cameo. The solo may not have been part of Godzilla continuity, but neither is Atragon, leaving Manda DAM and GFW to his credit. Both roles were minor cameos. Really doesn't put him that far above Varan. Kamacuras, yes, he had a role, he could've been in the game. I know Kumonga, Monster X and Gabara were said by Strange somewhere to have been in the next top five choices.

Actually the reason Hedorah isn't in is because the software used to make the game would have made him look shitty because they couldn't do shading and make his blob form properly. They couldn't do justice to the character.

I honestly hear more bitching about the lack of Hedorah than anything else in G:U. Wonder if it'd get half the hate it does if they included him.

Variety my taint. Varan is another dinosaur. Lets see here, we have Anguirus, Baragon, Titanosaurus, and 3 Godzilla's. Do we really need another one? especially when we already have two quadrapedic dinosaurs? Sure he can fly somewhat, but so can Rodan. How many Sludge monsters are in the Godzilla games. That moveset would be infinitely more interesting than a combination of Baragon and Rodan. And I wan't serious about Kamacuras are Manda, that was joke based on how much more relevant they are to Godzilla.

Varan was in the original 16-count. If anything, Baragon, G54 and G90's are the ones stealing his moves.

Read above.

[TitanoGoji16]

leaving Manda DAM and GFW to his credit. Both roles were minor cameos. Really doesn't put him that far above Varan.

Manda in DAM = Destroys Tokyo alongside Godzilla, Rodan and Mothra.
Manda in Final Wars = Fights the Gotengo.

Varan in DAM = Flies by the camera for three seconds after doing nothing.

How are Manda's roles "really not that far above" Varan's? If Varan did anything less in DAM, he wouldn't even be in it.

Actually the reason Hedorah isn't in is because the software used to make the game would have made him look shitty because they couldn't do shading and make his blob form properly. They couldn't do justice to the character.

Apparently, it wasn't that at all. They wanted Hedorah to transform instantly and on-screen (not like Mothra, who pauses the fight to transform), but the Wii couldn't pull that off, so instead of just doing a non-transforming Hedorah, they ditched him entirely.

Varan was in the original 16-count. If anything, Baragon, G54 and G90's are the ones stealing his moves.

...how in the hell are Baragon and Godzilla '90s, who were in games previous to GU, stealing Varan's moves?

[JVM]

Manda in DAM = Destroys Tokyo alongside Godzilla, Rodan and Mothra.
Manda in Final Wars = Fights the Gotengo.

Varan in DAM = Flies by the camera for three seconds after doing nothing.

How are Manda's roles "really not that far above" Varan's? If Varan did anything less in DAM, he wouldn't even be in it.

The Gotengo fight is pretty brief and I haven't completely seen DAM myself but what I did see of the Tokyo scene didn't look like much on Manda's part. But I could be wrong. Still really not that far above in my opinion. Manda's GFW appearance may be longer than Varan's but it's still a brief cameo regardless.

Apparently, it wasn't that at all. They wanted Hedorah to transform instantly and on-screen (not like Mothra, who pauses the fight to transform), but the Wii couldn't pull that off, so instead of just doing a non-transforming Hedorah, they ditched him entirely.

Simon Strange said something to me about Hedorah's shading being an issue over at Atari Forums. I guess there was more than one reason Hedorah was cut. Either that or he lied on one of the two occasions (and considering the podcast is the official deal, it probably would be me he lied to.)

...how in the hell are Baragon and Godzilla '90s, who were in games previous to GU, stealing Varan's moves?

I'm not saying they are. Nobody really is stealing anybody's moves. Dookun claimed they were stealing their moves, and Varan was in GU from the get-go, whereas Baragon and G90's were both later additions. Since GU wasn't a port of STE or DAMM and was built from the ground-up, this means Varan was around before both.

[Svitska Donkun]

I'm not saying they are. Nobody really is stealing anybody's moves. Dookun claimed they were stealing their moves, and Varan was in GU from the get-go, whereas Baragon and G90's were both later additions. Since GU wasn't a port of STE or DAMM and was built from the ground-up, this means Varan was around before both.

I never said that anyone "stole moves". Idk where you got that from, I'm just saying that we already had too many saurian fighters. Baragon earned his place over Varan, being one that actually fought Godzilla. Varan being in the line up from the get-go was just a really stupid idea, if there's any truth to that.

Are you just a Varan fanboy, JVM?

I may sound biased because Godzilla vs. Hedorah is my favorite Godzilla film, but I'd be just as angry if, say, Gigan or Mechagodzilla 74' were not included.

[JVM]

I'm not saying they are. Nobody really is stealing anybody's moves. Dookun claimed they were stealing their moves, and Varan was in GU from the get-go, whereas Baragon and G90's were both later additions. Since GU wasn't a port of STE or DAMM and was built from the ground-up, this means Varan was around before both.

I never said that anyone "stole moves". Idk where you got that from, I'm just saying that we already had too many saurian fighters. Baragon earned his place over Varan, being one that actually fought Godzilla. Varan being in the line up from the get-go was just a really stupid idea, if there's any truth to that.

Are you just a Varan fanboy, JVM?

I may sound biased because Godzilla vs. Hedorah is my favorite Godzilla film, but I'd be just as angry if, say, Gigan or Mechagodzilla 74' were not included.

I totally understand if you want to see Hedorah. I just don't see why we have to go cutting other monsters because as far as I can tell he was a lost cause from the start, and removing other monsters would've just lessened the roster for no real reason.

Yes, I am a Varan fanboy, this is true XD