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Re: What Godzilla movies do you actually like?

Postby Rody » Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:12 pm

You think MOTHRA VS. GODZILLA is campy and bad?!?!? :dizzy:
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Re: What Godzilla movies do you actually like?

Postby Legion1979 » Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:42 pm

Rody wrote:You think MOTHRA VS. GODZILLA is campy and bad?!?!? :dizzy:


Apparently, along with a whole bunch of other Showa films which certainly aren't campy and bad.

Yet his favorite era is Millennium which includes two gems like Megaguirus and Final Wars, which definitely aren't have their fair share of ridiculous crap.
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Re: What Godzilla movies do you actually like?

Postby Jomei » Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:47 pm

The Millennium series (except Final Wars) has really grown on me, but there's no topping the Showa series.
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Re: What Godzilla movies do you actually like?

Postby Legion1979 » Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:48 pm

Jomei wrote:The Millennium series (except Final Wars) has really grown on me, but there's no topping the Showa series.


No, definitely not.
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Re: What Godzilla movies do you actually like?

Postby GodzillaDude » Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:50 pm

Megaguirus and Final Wars had campy aspects in them but it wasn't bluntly obvious and consistent with it throughout them.
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Re: What Godzilla movies do you actually like?

Postby Legion1979 » Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:51 pm

GodzillaDude wrote:Megaguirus and Final Wars had campy aspects in them but it wasn't bluntly obvious and consistent with it throughout them.


No definitely not. Godzilla: Final Wars' campy aspects aren't nearly as obvious as the ones in Mothra vs Godzilla or Destroy all Monsters!
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Re: What Godzilla movies do you actually like?

Postby TokyoVigilante » Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:55 pm

GodzillaDude wrote:Megaguirus and Final Wars had campy aspects in them but it wasn't bluntly obvious and consistent with it throughout them.

The entire point of Final Wars was as a misguided attempt to legitimatize the cheesy and "bad" aesthetic that the public perceives the entire franchise and genre of having. It doesn't just have "campy aspects", it is entirely trying to be Camp on every level. It absolutely is not the straight-faced military dramatics that mark Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla and Tokyo SOS and Heisei films.
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Re: What Godzilla movies do you actually like?

Postby GodzillaDude » Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:58 pm

TokyoVigilante wrote:
GodzillaDude wrote:Megaguirus and Final Wars had campy aspects in them but it wasn't bluntly obvious and consistent with it throughout them.

The entire point of Final Wars was as a misguided attempt to legitimatize the cheesy and "bad" aesthetic that the public perceives the entire franchise and genre of having. It doesn't just have "campy aspects", it is entirely trying to be Camp on every level. It absolutely is not the straight-faced military dramatics that mark Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla and Tokyo SOS and Heisei films.



Okay maybe it had a good amount of campiness, but for some reason they didn't bother me as much as in other films.
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Re: What Godzilla movies do you actually like?

Postby Goji » Mon Jun 18, 2012 3:00 pm

GodzillaDude wrote:Megaguirus and Final Wars had campy aspects in them but it wasn't bluntly obvious and consistent with it throughout them.


Basically all of FINAL WARS is campy as skreeonk, you do realize this, right? MEGAGUIRUS was the goofiest Godzilla film since MEGALON.

I don't know any of the Showa Godzilla films that are "consistently campy throughout" other than MEGALON.

The thing I find most funny out of people who "don't care" for the Showa series, is that almost all of them generalize them in ways that simply aren't true.

"They r all so campy guise they just arent dark and serious like the heisei filsms."
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Re: What Godzilla movies do you actually like?

Postby Legion1979 » Mon Jun 18, 2012 3:05 pm

Goji wrote:
The thing I find most funny out of people who "don't care" for the Showa series, is that almost all of them generalize them in ways that simply aren't true.

"They r all so campy guise they just arent dark and serious like the heisei filsms."


I've noticed that too. It's really bizarre.
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Re: What Godzilla movies do you actually like?

Postby TokyoVigilante » Mon Jun 18, 2012 3:07 pm

GodzillaDude wrote:
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GodzillaDude wrote:Megaguirus and Final Wars had campy aspects in them but it wasn't bluntly obvious and consistent with it throughout them.

The entire point of Final Wars was as a misguided attempt to legitimatize the cheesy and "bad" aesthetic that the public perceives the entire franchise and genre of having. It doesn't just have "campy aspects", it is entirely trying to be Camp on every level. It absolutely is not the straight-faced military dramatics that mark Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla and Tokyo SOS and Heisei films.



Okay maybe it had a good amount of campiness, but for some reason they didn't bother me as much as in other films.

Final Wars has all of the subtly of a toy commercial. It's loud, garish, and full of juvenile posturing like every element is fighting to be cooler then the other. It's an aggressive and inherently abrasive mess of a film because it never gels with itself. If it wasn't so self aware, it would be a stark perfect definition of Camp style.

Camp is such a horrifically abused word. It's almost worst then "Troll". It's something that no one really seems to have a full grasp on understanding and it's used in such a negative way despite it being a legitimate artistic aesthetic. If anyone enjoyed 300, Moulin Rouge, and even some aspects of the Asgard portions of Thor are very very camp.
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Re: What Godzilla movies do you actually like?

Postby Jomei » Mon Jun 18, 2012 3:09 pm

I personally love most of the Showa films, but I can understand if some people can't get into them as much. But yeah, let's not misrepresent the series just because it isn't to our taste. The Showa series is easily the most varied of Godzilla eras, so one should avoid making blanket statements about the films.
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Re: What Godzilla movies do you actually like?

Postby Rody » Mon Jun 18, 2012 3:10 pm

GodzillaDude wrote:Megaguirus and Final Wars had campy aspects in them but it wasn't bluntly obvious and consistent with it throughout them.

Pardon me as I attempt to restrain myself and choke on my own laughter.
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Re: What Godzilla movies do you actually like?

Postby Legion1979 » Mon Jun 18, 2012 3:10 pm

TokyoVigilante wrote:Final Wars has all of the subtly of a toy commercial. It's loud, garish, and full of juvenile posturing like every element is fighting to be cooler then the other.


Which is EXACTLY why it appeals so much to younger fans who cream all over it.
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Re: What Godzilla movies do you actually like?

Postby Mecha-Streisand » Mon Jun 18, 2012 3:12 pm

GodzillaDude wrote:I don't have any Showa films on my Top 5 because I know I will and I have already gotten some heat for this... but I really don't care for the Showa films to much mainly due to the constant campy feel in a lot of the films the only two films I actually think are more than just bad or okay in the Showa era are Gojira and Son of Godzilla everything else I wouldn't really care to much if I didn't see any of them again.


Wait... What? Wow.

I very much question the sanity of anyone who would just write off Mothra vs Godzilla, Ghidorah the Three-Headed Monster, Monster Zero, or Destroy All Monsters (some of the absolute best films of the series) due to some perceived "campiness". Especially when two of the films that they do enjoy are Megaguirus and Final Wars.
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Re: What Godzilla movies do you actually like?

Postby TokyoVigilante » Mon Jun 18, 2012 3:17 pm

Legion1979 wrote:
TokyoVigilante wrote:Final Wars has all of the subtly of a toy commercial. It's loud, garish, and full of juvenile posturing like every element is fighting to be cooler then the other.


Which is EXACTLY why it appeals so much to younger fans who cream all over it.

That's part of the fun of it. I can get into it on that level and I can wallow in the films delinquency, but just because I can appreciate the tone its trying to create doesn't change an awareness that the film feels like it was designed and written by a 14 year old desperate to prove that Godzilla is still cool.

I'd like to see an overall development of better film comprehension and more complex opinions about these films from people in general in the fandom. I'd like people to atleast get that just because a film has Gigan in it doesn't mean its "Showa style" or in the "Showa spirit".
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Re: What Godzilla movies do you actually like?

Postby kaiju115 » Mon Jun 18, 2012 4:51 pm

Final Wars I liked, yeah I know everything seemed rushed, most of the fight scenes were short, & they went totally insane with it, but that's what they were trying to do. Since it's the last Godzilla movie of the Millennium series, they pretty much wanted to end the series with a BLAST!!! On top of that I like the side characters, I liked seeing Don Frye as Capt. Gordon, I like the Villain mainly because he was all over the top, & I liked seeing all the action, it was all fighting, you had monsters fighting, you had people fighting, it was all FIGHTING!!! Now, Godzilla vs Megaguirus to me was pretty much boring, that's all I can say.
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Re: What Godzilla movies do you actually like?

Postby Gojira1963 » Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:16 pm

The only ones I do not like at all are:

Godzilla's Revenge
Godzilla vs. Gigan
Godzilla vs. Megalon

The rest I like to some degree or other. I will even watch SpaceGodzilla for a laugh every now and then.

My all time top 5 are:

Godzilla (1954 original)
Godzilla, Mothra and King Ghidorah: Giant Monsters All-Out Attack
Godzilla: Tokyo S.O.S.
Destroy All Monsters
King Kong vs. Godzilla
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Re: What Godzilla movies do you actually like?

Postby kaiju115 » Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:19 pm

Gojira1963 wrote:My all time top 5 are:

Godzilla (1954 original)
Godzilla, Mothra and King Ghidorah: Giant Monsters All-Out Attack
Godzilla: Tokyo S.O.S.
Destroy All Monsters
King Kong vs. Godzilla


Excellent choice.
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Re: What Godzilla movies do you actually like?

Postby Gojira1963 » Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:22 pm

kaiju115 wrote:
Gojira1963 wrote:My all time top 5 are:

Godzilla (1954 original)
Godzilla, Mothra and King Ghidorah: Giant Monsters All-Out Attack
Godzilla: Tokyo S.O.S.
Destroy All Monsters
King Kong vs. Godzilla


Excellent choice.


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