Could Anyone See Toho Create A Modern Showa Era?

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Re: Could Anyone See Toho Create A Modern Showa Era?

Postby Living Corpse » Sun Apr 01, 2012 3:21 pm

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They also couldn't afford the 'intelligence' part of Artificial Intelligence, don't forget that.


Eh, he wouldn't need it for anything except for keeping...track of his....discs...

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Re: Could Anyone See Toho Create A Modern Showa Era?

Postby Jacob Kaiju X » Sat Apr 14, 2012 3:47 pm

In a weird way, my Behemoth Chronicles idea is a bit of a return to a Showa state of mind. I'm so sick of some fans not wanting the camp, just wanting "grim & dark". Personally, I prefer a Godzilla who is a badass who jumps from a ring of fire and does kung-fu again over just another "roar, I'm a angry beast who burns down buildings and have so much rage". Not saying Godzilla can't be grim and dark, but I am sick of this mentality.
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Re: Could Anyone See Toho Create A Modern Showa Era?

Postby Patrick Alan » Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:27 pm

Jacob Kaiju X wrote:In a weird way, my Behemoth Chronicles idea is a bit of a return to a Showa state of mind. I'm so sick of some fans not wanting the camp, just wanting "grim & dark". Personally, I prefer a Godzilla who is a badass who jumps from a ring of fire and does kung-fu again over just another "roar, I'm a angry beast who burns down buildings and have so much rage". Not saying Godzilla can't be grim and dark, but I am sick of this mentality.


I disagree, Godzilla was never meant to be campy, Gojira was meant to be as you say "grim and dark." Godzilla is a metaphor for the fear of what we've done to our planet, that's not campy.
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Re: Could Anyone See Toho Create A Modern Showa Era?

Postby Megalon-5 » Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:41 pm

But if Godzilla didn't evolve into a fun movie series, he'd be boring. As much as I love Gojira and recognize it's importance, I prefer the 60's and 70's movies because they're just more fun. Why does everything have to be grimdark? I swear that is fetishism with this in recent years is silly.
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Re: Could Anyone See Toho Create A Modern Showa Era?

Postby The H-Man » Sun Apr 15, 2012 4:07 am

True. In all honesty whenever I have a yen for watching a Godzilla movie, I'm more likely to pull out Ghidorah, Monster Zero, etc, rather than the original movie.
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Re: Could Anyone See Toho Create A Modern Showa Era?

Postby Goji » Sun Apr 15, 2012 5:59 am

Megalon-5 wrote:But if Godzilla didn't evolve into a fun movie series, he'd be boring. As much as I love Gojira and recognize it's importance, I prefer the 60's and 70's movies because they're just more fun. Why does everything have to be grimdark? I swear that is fetishism with this in recent years is silly.


I know right? "I want the LPG Godzilla film to be dark and brooding!! It's the only way to go with the character!".-So tired of this crap, because it's definitely not true. Look at the extremes between a film like THE DARK KNIGHT, and the current animated series which is a throwback to the Adam West days. Both can coexist. I don't see how Godzilla is any different. The same can be done with him.

Godzilla had to evolve to survive. Ironically, that change is part of what killed the series for nearly a decade. I still believe that people (In Japan) not going to see Godzilla movies in the 70's had more to do with all of the competition on TV, and less with people not being accepting of the the change in the character. Had TERROR OF MECHAGODZILLA performed even a little better, I'm sure the series (complete with a heroic Godzilla) would have continued for a couple of years, at least.
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Re: Could Anyone See Toho Create A Modern Showa Era?

Postby Jacob Kaiju X » Sun Apr 15, 2012 7:41 am

Again, I should state that I would like to see a throwback to the more heroic Godzilla more than anything. He can still, essentially, be viewed as a threat to mankind, but at the same time, will bring on the pain to any monster who attacks the Earth.
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Re: Could Anyone See Toho Create A Modern Showa Era?

Postby Patrick Alan » Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:36 am

Well, you can have him still being a metaphor for the H-Bomb.

He could still be fighting monsters who attack, but not to "save the Earth" but because he's still an animal who protects his territory.

Destroying everything in his path, like in Gojira
Fighting enemy monsters with no mercy, like in GMK

That's how I'd like to see Godzilla.
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Re: Could Anyone See Toho Create A Modern Showa Era?

Postby Megalon-5 » Sun Apr 15, 2012 3:33 pm

They've done that angle for the entire Hesei and Millennium series. I want a breath of fresh air and not a Xerox of those series.
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Re: Could Anyone See Toho Create A Modern Showa Era?

Postby Godzillabrawler » Sun Apr 15, 2012 3:46 pm

Megalon-5 wrote:They've done that angle for the entire Hesei and Millennium series.


And it's a good angle. Like most of the recent Godzilla movies, the problem was execution, not concept.
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Re: Could Anyone See Toho Create A Modern Showa Era?

Postby Megalon-5 » Sun Apr 15, 2012 4:04 pm

yes it's a good angle, but it wasn't executed very well aside from a couple films. I wouldn't mind if Toho did that angle again, as long as it's executed well, but I'd rather see something fresh imo.
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Re: Could Anyone See Toho Create A Modern Showa Era?

Postby miguelnuva » Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:48 am

I would love for the Showa era to be restarted. Toho could make 4 or 5 movies set after TOMG and then end with a true DAM remake where Godzilla and all his allies battle King Ghidorah and a possible MechaGodzilla III.

Maybe one film could even be a final to Zone Fighter. Speaking of Zone Fighter I wonder why Mothra didn't appear in the show?
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Re: Could Anyone See Toho Create A Modern Showa Era?

Postby Rody » Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:37 am

The Mothra prop was probably in horrendous shape by 1973.
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Re: Could Anyone See Toho Create A Modern Showa Era?

Postby nagma » Tue Apr 17, 2012 1:14 am

GotengoXGodzilla i agree with you.......
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Re: Could Anyone See Toho Create A Modern Showa Era?

Postby DaveTheAnalyzer » Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:28 pm

I wouldn't mind seeing a return to the Showa era tone, maybe melding with the Heisei tone. Like, I picture Godzilla and Anguirus fighting like in Godzilla Raids Again, but another more powerful foe intercedes, forcing them into a Enemy Mine situation. Then slowly, Godzilla becomes friends with Anguirus and probably other monsters as well, making him have something to defend beside his own well being and territory.

Also, if this ever comes to pass, I wouldn't mind Biollante, Battra, and Kiryu coming back as allies.
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Re: Could Anyone See Toho Create A Modern Showa Era?

Postby Patrick Alan » Thu Apr 19, 2012 7:59 pm

Biollante,Kiryu, and Battra would be great but not as allies...
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Re: Could Anyone See Toho Create A Modern Showa Era?

Postby Megalon-5 » Thu Apr 19, 2012 9:16 pm

Biollante would be weird to see as an ally, but I could see it happening. Battra, that's one I could see working out in a "Ghidorah" type situation where Godzilla joins forces with some rivals to drive away a bigger, badder monster. Also, while technically not Kiryu, Godzilla did team up against Mechagodzilla in Godzilla Island which was a lot like the Showa series.
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Re: Could Anyone See Toho Create A Modern Showa Era?

Postby JVM » Thu Apr 19, 2012 9:43 pm

A modern Showa era would be skreeonk stupid.
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Re: Could Anyone See Toho Create A Modern Showa Era?

Postby Tohosaurus » Fri Apr 20, 2012 5:42 am

I wouldn't mind a modern Showa series. And I too feel that while GFW was an utter disappointment, it does make a good basis for a new universe with a ton of monsters in it to which they can go make and essentially make tons of prequels. Then again, a movie with that much baggage within the fanbase may not be the best foot forward.

It might be nice to see a new series that recalls a lot of the better known and liked Showa films. Something that's a bit like of GtTHM/AM, MG, Gigan, and more. I'm stressing NOT just remaking them. Make a fresh movie with the same elements dropped in. For example, the first Kiryu movie is sort of a remake of the Heisei MG movie (as a reintroduction to the MG monster) but while they have the same basic elements (Godzilla, a government funded and piloted MG, etc) they are vastly different movies on the whole. And in fact it even work to have some movies get the cheese and camp on like while others are more serious, like how KKvsG was a 10 pound sack of camp but then the next movie -MvsG- was much more serious again, simply because with some monsters and movies the camp makes more sense whereas others can be used more as messages.

Say something like:

Godzilla: Reborn
Intro film, doesn't have to spend much time establishing Godzilla or anything and just make it feel like we jump right in as with G2K. Maybe the government or whoever finds him on a radioactive island (a la Monster Island) where we see him fight off a bunch of small time foes (a bunch of Kamacuras, etc), where he fights a more "final" monster like nasty looking Gabara, whatever. Just throwing out ideas for an opening movie.

Godzilla 2: Kong Elite
Since I assume it's next to impossible to work with Universal on making a KKvsG throwback, make up your own VERY OBVIOUS recall to that giant gorilla. And then there will be less need to explain why this Kong is Godzilla sized and super powered. Have Kong running around his home island a while and fight a Gorosaurus to establish his power, which will imply how powerful Godzilla is when those two fight.

Just a couple of ideas.
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Re: Could Anyone See Toho Create A Modern Showa Era?

Postby Goji » Fri Apr 20, 2012 7:17 am

JVM wrote:A modern Showa era would be skreeonk stupid.


Goddamn dude, you really are having a bad day huh? Seriously, chill the skreeonk out.
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