Toho's bad decision making

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Re: Toho's bad decision making

Postby wrongnote85 » Sat Jun 30, 2012 8:49 pm

Living Corpse wrote:Varan's air. Neither Baragon nor Anguirus can fly. Though admittedly I think Manda would have been a better choice for water.


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Re: Toho's bad decision making

Postby ScootaVaran » Sat Jun 30, 2012 9:28 pm

Living Corpse wrote:Varan's air. Neither Baragon nor Anguirus can fly. Though admittedly I think Manda would have been a better choice for water.


I consider Varan a aquatic monster more then air.

His lair was in some underwater caves in a lake after all. Just one small scene with him gliding through the air.
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Re: Toho's bad decision making

Postby ScootaVaran » Sat Jun 30, 2012 9:44 pm

Living Corpse wrote:But I'm saying of the original three he's the only one that can "fly". Neither Anguirus nor Baragon can do that.


True. Out of those three though I think Anguirus and Baragon are to much alike. If we are talking elements here..

Varan, Water
Baragon, Earth
Rodan, Air

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Re: Toho's bad decision making

Postby XxComablack1937xX » Sun Jul 01, 2012 2:27 am

Let's get the most obvious one out of the way.

Letting Roland Emmerich an Dean Devlin get away with all the poop they did on the 98 film.
Letting Godzilla appeal to children way to much in the late 60's.
Releasing a Godzilla film every year after Godzilla vs King Ghidorah, an after G-2000 without spending proper time on scripts an effects.
Letting Godzilla: Final War's have such a major budget compared to prior films.

Everything else is nip-picking an can pretty much be classified within one of these area's so ill stop here.

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Re: Toho's bad decision making

Postby GotengoXGodzilla » Sun Jul 01, 2012 2:47 am

Letting Godzilla: Final War's have such a major budget compared to prior films.


I wouldn't blame Toho for giving GFW a massive budget. I'd blame Toho for hiring Kitamura, someone who clearly demonstrated he has no idea what to do with that massive budget.

I think that's Toho's biggest mistake: Hiring Kitamura to direct Godzilla: Final Wars.
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Re: Toho's bad decision making

Postby Julia Bristow » Sun Jul 01, 2012 4:17 am

Hiring Kitamura direct Godzilla Final Wars
Half assing the 90's Godzilla films in terms of effects & acting & screenplay
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Re: Toho's bad decision making

Postby terrypierson » Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:10 pm

Licensing Godzilla to Tri-Star.

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Re: Toho's bad decision making

Postby The One and Only » Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:56 am

Not doing GODZILLA Vs. GAMERA. Daiei was quite eager to do it, and the 50/50 sharing of the windfall profits sounded quite equatable. And top it off, with Gamera enjoying quite a successful revival, and the Godzilla also experiencing a bit of success during the Heisei series as well. The flick would've done boffo business. Hell, I think instead of Final Wars Toho should've got Shusuke Kaneko back in the director's chair, and done GVG instead.
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Re: Toho's bad decision making

Postby Tohosaurus » Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:23 am

XxComablack1937xX wrote:Let's get the most obvious one out of the way.

Letting Roland Emmerich an Dean Devlin get away with all the poop they did on the 98 film.
Letting Godzilla appeal to children way to much in the late 60's.
Releasing a Godzilla film every year after Godzilla vs King Ghidorah, an after G-2000 without spending proper time on scripts an effects.
Letting Godzilla: Final War's have such a major budget compared to prior films.

Everything else is nip-picking an can pretty much be classified within one of these area's so ill stop here.


Definitely agree on G98.

The children thing probably helped Godzilla survive to some extent though since those types of films were falling out of favor. Son of Godzilla and All Monsters Attack are really only the two primary 60s Godzilla movies that were children-centered.

Generally I'm opposed to sequels each year too because a couple of years or so allows for more development and hopefully a better final product. On the plus side, Gamera 2 came out right after Gamera: GotU an in that year they produced a film of similar quality (better IMO) with improved effects, so it isn't impossible. But the operation of the company at Toho could be different, so I still tend to agree with you. More of an issue in the Heisei films was whoever oversaw the SPFX decisions. I don't know about all budgets, but from GvMG2 through GvD all of the budgets were about $10M, twice what Biollante's was which had infinitely better effects than those films. What happened? How do you double of the budget and have negative progress on something like that? It's bizarre. And it wasn't just the Heisei films. Gamera the Brave had great work on the miniatures and effects and probably had a budget similar or lower than the Millennium G movies.

On a similar note, Toho allowing a big budget didn't hurt the movie in the least. It was the fact that Ryuhei Kitamura was the director that was probably the single biggest issue. Shusuke Kaneko would've probably done so much better seeing as he hasn't produced a single bad daikaiju film IMO. Idk if he was unavailable at the time or those details, but it's just an example.

terrypierson wrote:Licensing Godzilla to Tri-Star.


The original script for "Godzilla vs Gryphon" as I'll call it was all under Tri-Star wasn't it? I mean I fault Emmerich and Devlin for it more than anything. OTOH the people at Tri-Star repeatedly offering the project to people who weren't fans of that very franchise is not a good start, true.
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