If you could change ANY ONE thing about the Godzilla Films

[ghidorasauras]

^ Whenever I hear that title I get skreeonking headache.

[Carthormerr]

It doesn't even matter if he came after, just the fact that he looks like him period is bad enough.

...*sigh*

1. Yes, it does matter if Gary Coleman came after Minya. It's unfair to say that someone from the '60s looks bad because they look like someone else from the '80s. That doesn't make any sense as well.
2. Minya and Gary Coleman look nothing alike. They're both short, that's all they have in common.

Now Minya was funny on occasion I admit, but a few funny moments could have been done without him.

...And an example of this would be...?

What I'm saying is that they BOTH look bad. So Gary Coleman looks like Minya. There you go in that order since he came first. Nothing has changed. They BOTH look bad.

An example? Anything that involved cowering in fear, wimpering, making some weird hand gestures and squawking. By the standards that he is adopted and not of the same species means literally anything could have taken his place. A Rodan, a Mothra larvae, etc...

[GotengoXGodzilla]

What I'm saying is that they BOTH look bad. So Gary Coleman looks like Minya. There you go in that order since he came first. Nothing has changed. They BOTH look bad.

...Okay, so what? Godzilla's design in Son Of Godzilla is my least favorite look for Godzilla, yet it's still my second favorite Godzilla film. How a monster looks should not impact how one enjoys the movie or the character.

An example? Anything that involved cowering in fear, wimpering, making some weird hand gestures and squawking. By the standards that he is adopted and not of the same species means literally anything could have taken his place. A Rodan, a Mothra larvae, etc...

...Being a coward is part of Minya's character. That he's still a child, and he lives in a world where there are many more monsters out there that are much more powerful then him. He's still learning about these powerful monsters, so naturally, he's going to be scared of them.

I wouldn't say that's an example of a comedy bit. That's an example of Minya being Minya. It's character growth. If those bits were taken out of Destroy All Monsters or Son Of Godzilla, then you're taking away who Minya truly is.

[Sydney Aradi]

I would erase the existence of the "Gigantis the Fire Monster" debacle (replaced of course by Godzilla Raids Again). That has always really bothered me...

as hilariously bad as Gigantis is as an Americanized version of a Godzilla film I wouldn't want it to be deleted from history (hell same can be said for any lowly regarded films of ANY film genre)

[Carthormerr]

^ And what exactly is wrong with Minya?

Minya, as a character, was just fine and used to great effect in Son Of Godzilla, and for great comedic bits in Destroy All Monsters. Honestly, neither of those films would have been the same without Minya.

Ok so what comedic bits are you referring to in this post? Because Minya doesn't exactly get a lot of screen time in DOM.

... and I believe most anyone would agree that the Son of design was the very worst.
How it looks doesn't matter? That is true within a certain limit, but overall that's a ridiculous statement. Some design changes are fine, but the Son of suit is absolutely horrible along with Minya. Tell that to anyone while they watch a movie and see if it persuades them. It won't. Usually movies that feature a creature/monster pay special attention to the look when making the movie. The Son of suit and Minya for that particular movie were spot on for what they were trying to do, but they still look bad.

[Rody]

I used to have mixed feelings about Minya; but once I saw Son of Godzilla, I liked him for sure.
Is his suit ugly? Yes, it is. However, I would not erase Minya from existence entirely. I would simply improve his suit.

^Then it wouldn't be Rodan anymore, what about this?
image

I don't see your point.
What I was saying is, the fringed-feather design worked really well with the Leonopteryx - not to mention the Banshees - so now I'm curious about how it would look on Rodan.
What is the significance of the image you showed? (They're great drawings, I'll give you that.)

[Dr. Nishiyama]

What I'm saying is that they BOTH look bad. So Gary Coleman looks like Minya. There you go in that order since he came first. Nothing has changed. They BOTH look bad.

...Okay, so what? Godzilla's design in Son Of Godzilla is my least favorite look for Godzilla, yet it's still my second favorite Godzilla film. How a monster looks should not impact how one enjoys the movie or the character..

No offense but I remember reading a post of yours a while back about your displeasure towards the design of the '84 Godzilla suit in Return of Godzilla. You stated any time it was onscreen it ruined the scenes it was in. Again no offense, just an observation.

[GotengoXGodzilla]

Ok so what comedic bits are you referring to in this post? Because Minya doesn't exactly get a lot of screen time in DOM.

Being the first emerge on Mt. Fuji, getting the killing blow on King Ghidorah, and the way that he poses on top of King Ghidorah when the fight is over and everyone else seems to applaud him for doing so.

All of those are hilarious.

The Son of suit and Minya for that particular movie were spot on for what they were trying to do, but they still look bad.

If they were, using your words, "spot on for what they were trying to do", then it doesn't matter if they look bad. They were effective, durable and did exactly what they were suppose to do.

It's not how they look that matters. It's how they're used that matters.

No offense but I remember reading a post of yours a while back about your displeasure towards the design of the '84 Godzilla suit in Return of Godzilla. You stated any time it was onscreen it ruined the scenes it was in. Again no offense, just an observation.

I think the last sentence of the last quote applies here as well. The suit in SoG was used effectively. It may have looked bad, but Godzilla himself was fantastic in that movie, so I don't mind if the suit was ugly. Same with Minya.

However, the Godzilla suit in Return Of Godzilla was not used effectively in my eyes, because his cross-eyed slack-jaw look kinda removed a lot of the dramatic tension of many scenes. Especially any time animatronics were used and/or there was a close up of Godzilla's face.

While the SoG suit was certainly worse, it didn't ruin part of the film for me, because they gave Godzilla a great character in that film. But in RoG, Godzilla is just another monster with no real character. So if the suit doesn't completely look that part, it ruins a bit of the film for me.

[Dr. Nishiyama]

Ok so what comedic bits are you referring to in this post? Because Minya doesn't exactly get a lot of screen time in DOM.

Being the first emerge on Mt. Fuji, getting the killing blow on King Ghidorah, and the way that he poses on top of King Ghidorah when the fight is over and everyone else seems to applaud him for doing so.

All of those are hilarious.

The Son of suit and Minya for that particular movie were spot on for what they were trying to do, but they still look bad.

If they were, using your words, "spot on for what they were trying to do", then it doesn't matter if they look bad. They were effective, durable and did exactly what they were suppose to do.

It's not how they look that matters. It's how they're used that matters.

No offense but I remember reading a post of yours a while back about your displeasure towards the design of the '84 Godzilla suit in Return of Godzilla. You stated any time it was onscreen it ruined the scenes it was in. Again no offense, just an observation.

I think the last sentence of the last quote applies here as well. The suit in SoG was used effectively. It may have looked bad, but Godzilla himself was fantastic in that movie, so I don't mind if the suit was ugly. Same with Minya.

However, the Godzilla suit in Return Of Godzilla was not used effectively in my eyes, because his cross-eyed slack-jaw look kinda removed a lot of the dramatic tension of many scenes. Especially any time animatronics were used and/or there was a close up of Godzilla's face.

While the SoG suit was certainly worse, it didn't ruin part of the film for me, because they gave Godzilla a great character in that film. But in RoG, Godzilla is just another monster with no real character. So if the suit doesn't completely look that part, it ruins a bit of the film for me.

I get what you're saying. I'm not a fan of the SOG suit but I ADORE Son of Godzilla immensely and agree it was used effectively. Also, while I LOVE the '84 suit I agree the eyes should've been positioned better. I think the design would've been respected by more fans if the head looked like the animatronic puppet's.

[antovald20]

Rody- I thought you wanted to turn Rodan into a Dragon Ha! Also when i saw your image, i wanted to show something more like Rodan then what you showed.

[Rody]

Where did I imply that I wanted Rodan to look like a dragon? I was referring only to the wing design.

....But I digress. We seem to understand each other now.

[antovald20]

^Ha! Yup.

[Goji]

I don't see your point.

Neither do I. Those were random (albeit good) drawings of various flying reptiles. I don't really understand what the context was.

[Carthormerr]

Point is any "comedy" in DAM from Minya could have been replaced with another monster. He wasn't necessary, as a lot of the monsters in the final battle weren't.

Yes, the Son of suit was effective in presenting G as a bit softer in a movie in which he adopts a baby Gary Coleman, but that doesn't make it a good thing. The look of a giant monster, in a giant monster movie MATTERS. By these standards, you could effectively use a stick figure with a crayon face that happens to be in a good movie and all would be well!

[DeadpoolsbetterThanU]

The thing I'd change is casting for the annoying kid from Godzilla Vs Megalon and Godzilla VS The Smog Monster.

[Rody]

I don't mind the kid in HEDORAH; at least in Japanese.
I can't speak for "Roxanne", because I've only heard him in dub form.

@Carthomerr - wouldn't it be simpler to say Minya just needs a better suit, instead of saying he shouldn't exist PERIOD?

[Goji]

The thing I'd change is casting for the annoying kid from Godzilla Vs Megalon and Godzilla VS The Smog Monster.

The funny part is, he's not even obnoxious in the original Japanese versions. Hell, he's tolerable in both English dubs for HEDORAH. MEGALON's English dub is the only one where his voice is grating to the ears.

[Legion1979]

Point is any "comedy" in DAM from Minya could have been replaced with another monster. He wasn't necessary, as a lot of the monsters in the final battle weren't.

Yawn. Minya being around in Destroy all Monsters doesn't hurt the movie at all. There's no reason why he would need to be replaced.

Yes, the Son of suit was effective in presenting G as a bit softer in a movie in which he adopts a baby Gary Coleman, but that doesn't make it a good thing. The look of a giant monster, in a giant monster movie MATTERS. By these standards, you could effectively use a stick figure with a crayon face that happens to be in a good movie and all would be well!

Double yawn.

Son of Godzilla is one of those movies that succeeds in being an almost perfect film DESPITE the look of the monster suits. If someone dislikes this film because they can't get past the monster costumes then they're missing out on something special.

[Goji]

Point is any "comedy" in DAM from Minya could have been replaced with another monster. He wasn't necessary, as a lot of the monsters in the final battle weren't.

Yawn. Minya being around in Destroy all Monsters doesn't hurt the movie at all. There's no reason why he would need to be replaced.

Additionally, I didn't even realize that was his "point".

The comedy couldn't have "been replaced with another monster." What other monster could have fit that role at the time other than maybe Gabara? (who technically doesn't even exist).

[GotengoXGodzilla]

Point is any "comedy" in DAM from Minya could have been replaced with another monster.

...No, it really couldn't have. If any other monster were to replace Minya's role in DAM, it wouldn't be funny.

Let's say you replaced everything involving Minya with, for example, Anguirus. Anguirus comes out before Godzilla. That's not funny, that's just weird. Minya does it, and it's funny. Anguirus gets the killing blow on King Ghidorah. That's payback for what happened earlier in the fight, but it's not funny. Minya does it, and it's funny. Anguirus strikes a pose on top of the dead King Ghidorah. That's also very strange and out of character for Anguirus. Minya does it, and it's funny.

Do you begin to see a pattern here?

Yes, the Son of suit was effective in presenting G as a bit softer in a movie in which he adopts a baby monster, but that does make it a good thing.

There. Fixed that for you.

Stop with the Gary Coleman reference. It really doesn't work, because they look nothing alike and it's not fair to do that to Minya (or Gary Coleman). Also, yes, that does make it a good thing. The suit represents the character that Godzilla is suppose to be in the film. That's all that matters.

The look of a giant monster, in a giant monster movie MATTERS. By these standards, you could effectively use a stick figure with a crayon face that happens to be in a good movie and all would be well!

If that effectively represents what the character is suppose to be over the course of the film, then you won't see me complaining about it.

If a monster is suppose to be a character, with wants, needs, desires, weaknesses, etc., then the design of the monster should, first and foremost, represent what that character is suppose to be in the film, such as Minya and Godzilla in Son Of Godzilla. If a monster is suppose to be just a monster, with no real character traits other then "Must destroy everything", then the design matters.

Personally, I'd much rather have a monster that's a great character with a crappy design (Godzilla in Son Of Godzilla), instead of a monster that's a crappy character with a great design (Space Godzilla).