Pokemon WTF's: what toho did wrong

[gorosaurus]

Mothra/Anguirus is Giratina's voice? Sweet.

It doesn't match the pokemon design, but otherwise sweet.

No anguirus, just mothra. They only use the chirp. Why is a huge dragon stuck with a butterfly chirp?

[Rody]

^ I wondered the same thing about Dodongo in Ultraman.

[kpa]

I think the next time I see a thread about favorite music in a Toho movie I'm going to mention the Disney movies they released in Japan. Those must count, right?

You may want to take that up with the site Admins then. I know I got harassed about creating posts regarding studio Ghibli films (which are distributed by Toho) and there is a whole submissions section dedicated to Studio Ghibli concept art, and movie reviews etc... I just think we need to be reasonable, ansd say if a film is made in Japan and is distributed by Toho, then it probably is appropriate to discuss on this site.

If you want to site Disney movies distributed by Toho in Japan as a reason we should NOT talk about any distributed movies, only Toho direct films, then I guess we should banish all Heisei Gamera threads, because those were only distributed by Toho, not made by Toho themselves. See what I mean, it can get tricky.

I think some people see Toho's name on a movie or see a movie listed in one of the main sections here and assume Toho was directly involved in making that film. But Toho's role varies greatly from one film to the next, with (at least) four key divisions...

1. Toho productions: This would be any movies made by Toho employees and financed, distributed and owned by the studio. This would include most of the films that likely come to mind when we think of Toho... the Japanese Godzilla series, early Akira Kurosawa films like SEVEN SAMURAI, and classic FX films like RODAN and MOTHRA. In recent years, Toho seems to have stopped (or drastically curtailed) making films completely in house.

2. Co-productions: Movies made by Toho but with another company involved during pre-production, production or financing. Toho did a number of these... kaiju films like WAR OF THE GARGANTUAS with UPA, KING KONG ESCAPES with Rankin/Bass, the KILLING BOTTLE with Takarazuka, etc.

3. Partnerships: Several companies work together to finance, produce, distribute and internationally market a movie. This appears to be the most common method movies are now made in Japan; it seems like every Japanese studio film in recent years is credited to a "Film Committee" or "Film Partners"... including Toho releases like SPACE BATTLESHIP YAMATO, the ALWAYS- SUNSET ON THIRD STREET series, GANTZ and GANTZ II, the 20TH CENTURY BOYS trilogy and so on.

4. Distribution: These are movies Toho didn't make but handled the theatrical and/or home video release in Japan. This would include American and foreign movies, some of the Ultraman and Gamera films, Pokemon movies, etc.

Going strictly from memory here, I think Toho is listed in the production credits for some Studios Ghibli films. But whether Toho was one of the film partners or just a distributor, these movies are clearly the work on Studio Ghibli.

[gorosaurus]

ALL OF YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT! Toho gave the rights to use the roars, and that's whats bugging me. Just imagine mixed with

[Legion1979]

ALL OF YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT! Toho gave the rights to use the roars, and that's whats bugging me. Just imagine mixed with

Don't watch Ultraman then. You'll probably have a stroke.

[kpa]

ALL OF YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT! Toho gave the rights to use the roars, and that's whats bugging me. Just imagine mixed with

Don't watch Ultraman then. You'll probably have a stroke.

I don't follow Pokemon, but would think that the people who created the characters and make the shows/movies have the right to decide what their own creations should sound like.

[Ethan]

It thinks it's just a matter of listing every Toho related movie. Surely Hollywood productions distributed in Japan don't have Toho's logo. On the other hand, stuff like The Ring or the Gamera trilogy do.

[kpa]

Surely Hollywood productions distributed in Japan don't have Toho's logo.

The industry standard is to have the distributor's logo at the start of a film.

[Legion1979]

It thinks it's just a matter of listing every Toho related movie. Surely Hollywood productions distributed in Japan don't have Toho's logo.

Like Keith said, they do. And since Toho is the biggest movie company and distributor in Japan and since - by TK law - anything Toho distributed is technically a Toho film, I'm going to go start threads on a shit-ton of Disney movies in the "General Toho" section...

[Ethan]

It thinks it's just a matter of listing every Toho related movie. Surely Hollywood productions distributed in Japan don't have Toho's logo.

Like Keith said, they do. And since Toho is the biggest movie company and distributor in Japan and since - by TK law - anything Toho distributed is technically a Toho film, I'm going to go start threads on a shit-ton of Disney movies in the "General Toho" section...

There's a fundamental difference between a distributed Japanese film and an American one. Nobody is saying My Neighbor Totoro is a Toho produced film, they're saying it's a film related to Toho, even if vaguely.

[Legion1979]

There's a fundamental difference between a distributed Japanese film and an American one. Nobody is saying My Neighbor Totoro is a Toho produced film, they're saying it's a film related to Toho, even if vaguely.

But my stance has always been, how is a film really related to the company that just distributed it? It's not like Toho did anything to help make it. As far as I'm concerned, Kaneko's Gameras are DAIEI films. Toho just happened to distribute them, just like they happen to distribute lots of other movies.

[gorosaurus]

ALL OF YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT! Toho gave the rights to use the roars, and that's whats bugging me. Just imagine mixed with

Don't watch Ultraman then. You'll probably have a stroke.

Shut up dude. That's different because what was used fit the character. A 25 foot satanic dragon shouldn't use Mothra's chirp. Look up Giratinas movie chirp on youtube and then come talk to me.

[Legion1979]

Shut up dude. That's different because what was used fit the character. A 25 foot satanic dragon shouldn't use Mothra's chirp.

How old are you?

You do realize that Dodongo, the creature in my avatar that appeared in the original Ultraman series, also uses Mothra's chirp? And it's no less bizarre than whatever it is you're talking about.

[Draglord]

A 25 foot satanic dragon shouldn't use Mothra's chirp. Look up Giratinas movie chirp on youtube and then come talk to me.

If it bothers you so badly then don't watch the damn movies. Simple as that.

[gorosaurus]

A 25 foot satanic dragon shouldn't use Mothra's chirp. Look up Giratinas movie chirp on youtube and then come talk to me.

If it bothers you so badly then don't watch the damn movies. Simple as that.

Thanks for ruining the entire thread.

[Legion1979]

Thanks for ruining the entire thread.

This thread was DOA to begin with.

[gorosaurus]

Thanks for ruining the entire thread.

This thread was DOA to begin with.

Why do you hate this thread?

[Legion1979]

Why do you hate this thread?

I don't hate it (hating an internet thread is pretty ridiculous) but it IS pretty dumb.

Toho's sound effects library (the monster roars) have always been used by other companies going all the way back to the Ultra series where - for hardcore Godzilla fans - the roars sound alien coming from different monsters. That Pokemon does this too is nothing new and it's not a matter of Toho doing anything "wrong". Toho doesn't MAKE Pokemon anyway, so the point is moot.

Can I ask your age?

[Mini-Godzilla]

I guess we should banish all Heisei Gamera threads, because those were only distributed by Toho, not made by Toho themselves. See what I mean, it can get tricky.

That's not tricky at all. We should banish all Heisei Gamera threads...to the Media Center forum.

[DeadpoolsbetterThanU]

A 25 foot satanic dragon shouldn't use Mothra's chirp. Look up Giratinas movie chirp on youtube and then come talk to me.

If it bothers you so badly then don't watch the damn movies. Simple as that.

Thanks for ruining the entire thread.

How does one post stating the most simplest answer ruin the entire thread? And it's not like the thread is anything special.
I actually think the roars were a good thing with the movies, it's almost everything else that isn't. Namely changing way too many character designs and silly story lines.