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Terasawa wrote:Guy Mariner Tucker submitted a draft for the Godzilla story contest in '86 or '87 that had a glowing red Godzilla appear in Hong Kong. Guess what Toho did in 1995.

Concerning Godzilla 3, as I said, those rumors at the time were literally just rumors.
They also adapted that one guy's script from the same contest into Gunhed.
I'm a sucker for lost projects so I wish we knew more about all the scripts/drafts submitted during that contest. Most were probably trash, but at least a few were probably decent enough.
James Bannon at least got story credit in Gunhed, but yeah.

Tucker's story about it is in this video. His draft also had a psychic teenage girl who had a connection with the monsters.
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Didn't Tucker's draft also feature Anguirus, who was a monster planned for some of the various phases before the final script was finally decided on?

Lol, that vid of him praising Destoroyah did not age well
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A part of me is actually glad the 1994 Godzilla film was never made although I still would had liked to have seen it.

Because otherwise the flawless masterpiece of a trilogy and favorite movies ever known as the Heisei Gamera Trilogy probably never would had been made to begin with given Gamera's origin was similar to Godzilla's in that film which was likely the inspiration.

That and it gave Gamera the respect he needed and origin helping him stand out from others like Godzilla (Surviving dinosaur mutated by nuclear radiation), King Kong (Giant ape from an island of an bygone age) and Ultraman (Alien hero from another planet).

Speaking of which. Godzilla, King Kong, Gamera and Ultraman should be the considered the symbols of icons of the kaiju genre called The Big Four.
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GodzillaFan1990's wrote:A part of me is actually glad the 1994 Godzilla film was never made although I still would had liked to have seen it.

Because otherwise the flawless masterpiece of a trilogy and favorite movies ever known as the Heisei Gamera Trilogy probably never would had been made to begin with given Gamera's origin was similar to Godzilla's in that film which was likely the inspiration.

That and it gave Gamera the respect he needed and origin helping him stand out from others like Godzilla (Surviving dinosaur mutated by nuclear radiation), King Kong (Giant ape from an island of an bygone age) and Ultraman (Alien hero from another planet).

Speaking of which. Godzilla, King Kong, Gamera and Ultraman should be the considered the symbols of icons of the kaiju genre called The Big Four.
So you like the 90s Gameta trilogy?
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GodzillaFan1990's wrote:A part of me is actually glad the 1994 Godzilla film was never made although I still would had liked to have seen it.

Because otherwise the flawless masterpiece of a trilogy and favorite movies ever known as the Heisei Gamera Trilogy probably never would had been made to begin with given Gamera's origin was similar to Godzilla's in that film which was likely the inspiration.
The final draft of the Rossio and Elliot script was submitted on December 9, 1994. GOTU was already completed at that point. According to SciFi Japan, De Bont was planning to start filming Godzilla in March '95, the same month that Gamera was released in Japan. I think we could have had both.
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Terasawa wrote:The final draft of the Rossio and Elliot script was submitted on December 9, 1994. GOTU was already completed at that point. According to SciFi Japan, De Bont was planning to start filming Godzilla in March '95, the same month that Gamera was released in Japan. I think we could have had both.
Heh. Small world. Amazing how big coincidences can be. :)

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And they both had oddly similar plots.
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Even thought I'm an atheist, I've always liked religious references and subtexts in kaiju movies (this is totally Evangelion's fault)
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ManuJM1997 wrote:Even thought I'm an atheist, I've always liked religious references and subtexts in kaiju movies (this is totally Evangelion's fault)
I'm the same way. Don't embrace theology in any way, except in fiction, where I think it's an extremely powerful narrative device.
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ManuJM1997 wrote:Even thought I'm an atheist, I've always liked religious references and subtexts in kaiju movies (this is totally Evangelion's fault)
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I'm always a sucker for media reusing the Themes of the story of Moses. Religious themes are fine as long as they aren't too on the nose
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Love the idea of kaiju or any beast/ superpower human being thought of as a God or Titan as well. Just seems realistic since most in the real world believe if you have powers you're basically god
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I like that man eaters are rare in Godzilla films, makes the monsters seem more intelligent or have a higher motivation when most of them don't eat people. Eating people is a pretty stock/generic reason for a giant monster attack. Nothing wrong with using it but when a monster has a bigger reason for attacking than just food it makes them feel more like an actual character with goals than just a big dumb mindless animal/plot device.

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Living Corpse wrote:I like that man eaters are rare in Godzilla films, makes the monsters seem more intelligent or have a higher motivation when most of them don't eat people. Eating people is a pretty stock/generic reason for a giant monster attack. Nothing wrong with using it but when a monster has a bigger reason for attacking than just food it makes them feel more like an actual character with goals than just a big dumb mindless animal/plot device.
Well said! I agree, like even though Gaira was a man eater there was more to him than that.
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MechaGoji Bro7503 wrote:
Living Corpse wrote:I like that man eaters are rare in Godzilla films, makes the monsters seem more intelligent or have a higher motivation when most of them don't eat people. Eating people is a pretty stock/generic reason for a giant monster attack. Nothing wrong with using it but when a monster has a bigger reason for attacking than just food it makes them feel more like an actual character with goals than just a big dumb mindless animal/plot device.
Well said! I agree, like even though Gaira was a man eater there was more to him than that.
Agreed on Gaira. Nothing wrong with the food motive but make the monster a character. He befriended Sanda and later they had a fight because they disagreed on humans being friends or food.

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Baragon ate some horses in FCTW, did he eat humans in the film too? He's always been the wild puppy dog of the kaiju verse with no real motivation but that's kinda his schtick
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_JNavs_ wrote:Baragon ate some horses in FCTW, did he eat humans in the film too? He's always been the wild puppy dog of the kaiju verse with no real motivation but that's kinda his schtick
Yeah, he ate humans, and Frankenstein took the blame for it.
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GodzillaFan1990's wrote:A part of me is actually glad the 1994 Godzilla film was never made although I still would had liked to have seen it.

Because otherwise the flawless masterpiece of a trilogy and favorite movies ever known as the Heisei Gamera Trilogy probably never would had been made to begin with given Gamera's origin was similar to Godzilla's in that film which was likely the inspiration.

That and it gave Gamera the respect he needed and origin helping him stand out from others like Godzilla (Surviving dinosaur mutated by nuclear radiation), King Kong (Giant ape from an island of an bygone age) and Ultraman (Alien hero from another planet).

Speaking of which. Godzilla, King Kong, Gamera and Ultraman should be the considered the symbols of icons of the kaiju genre called The Big Four.
And within Toho itself, there's The Big Six: Godzilla, Rodan, Mothra, Anguirus, King Ghidorah and Mechagodzilla.

(Yes, I know that Anguirus wasn't in the Heisei Series, but he did both team up with the first three and fight the last two-and that's saying something, believe me.)
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mikelcho wrote:And within Toho itself, there's The Big Six: Godzilla, Rodan, Mothra, Anguirus, King Ghidorah and Mechagodzilla.

(Yes, I know that Anguirus wasn't in the Heisei Series, but he did both team up with the first three and fight the last two-and that's saying something, believe me.)
I thought it was The Big 5: Godzilla, Rodan, Mothra, King Ghidorah & Mechagodzilla...

I've never heard anyone mention "The Big 6" or Angurius being included in it...ever.

*Thinks*

Granted it would be awesome if he was.
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Among non-Japanese fans, Anguirus is probably on an even footing with the Big Five, but since the Japanese don't like him (soulless monsters), he's eternally relegated to Side Character status. :(
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