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Re: Favorite Godzilla Era

Postby Shacker9227 » Sat Jan 11, 2014 9:41 pm

After having rewatched most of the Showa series, I have to name it my favorite era. Yes, including films such as Godzilla's Revenge and Godzilla vs Megalon. Most of the '50s and '60s films had great quality while the '70s films (which weren't the greatest films) were fun to watch since they were playful.

Millennium goes second for improving on -what I felt- were the flaws of Heisei plus the execution of the films turning out a bit better. This is coming from the guy that enjoyed GFW by the way.

Heisei is third. After rewatching it, there were only three films that were genuinely appealing (RoG, GvB, and GvD.) The rest just felt like they were missing something. Also I felt the plots weren't terribly interesting and the characters seemed flat. Even the special effects were flat since everything was sparks and animated rays. I did like the on-going continuity between the films and the scores.
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Re: Favorite Godzilla Era

Postby Legion1979 » Sun Jan 12, 2014 7:16 am

^Not a bad assessment. I'd flip Heisei and Millennium since I dislike GFW, G2K and GxM enough to bring that era below the Heisei series, but I like your reasoning.

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Re: Favorite Godzilla Era

Postby eabaker » Sun Jan 12, 2014 7:55 am

Legion1979 wrote:^Not a bad assessment. I'd flip Heisei and Millennium since I dislike GFW, G2K and GxM enough to bring that era below the Heisei series, but I like your reasoning.


Same as what you said, except the three that I'd rank low would be GFW, Tokyo SOS, and GxMG. Those are the only Toho-produced Godzilla movies that I find flat-out unpleasant to watch.
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Re: Favorite Godzilla Era

Postby mechabrent » Mon Jan 13, 2014 4:55 am

eabaker wrote:
Legion1979 wrote:^Not a bad assessment. I'd flip Heisei and Millennium since I dislike GFW, G2K and GxM enough to bring that era below the Heisei series, but I like your reasoning.


Same as what you said, except the three that I'd rank low would be GFW, Tokyo SOS, and GxMG. Those are the only Toho-produced Godzilla movies that I find flat-out unpleasant to watch.


I dislike all of the movies of the millenium series except for G2K and GMK
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Re: Favorite Godzilla Era

Postby LiquidG » Mon Jan 13, 2014 10:03 am

I think each series has its faults and strong points, and one things the Millennium series has over the Heisei series is the Effects, its nice seeing a building explode or a monster get hit with something and not see millions of skreeonking sparks go flying everywhere like its the 4th of July.
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Re: Favorite Godzilla Era

Postby eabaker » Mon Jan 13, 2014 11:42 am

^While I recognize that the Millennium fx have some technical superiority over the later Heisei fx, I find that, in the cases of all three of Tezuka's films (though particularly Against Mechagodzilla and Tokyo SOS), the lighting on the fx scenes is awful, and the visuals are just boring.
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Re: Favorite Godzilla Era

Postby LiquidG » Mon Jan 13, 2014 12:07 pm

eabaker wrote:^While I recognize that the Millennium fx have some technical superiority over the later Heisei fx, I find that, in the cases of all three of Tezuka's films (though particularly Against Mechagodzilla and Tokyo SOS), the lighting on the fx scenes is awful, and the visuals are just boring.

I just think as a whole series the millenniums era fairs ever so slightly better in terms of effects, the first three Heisei films without question have better effects than most of the Millennium films. but as a whole the era had more sub par effects than the Millennium era, say what you will about the Kiryu saga but there's no question that Mothra looked beautiful in SOS, the mobility was top notch, especially compared to the 92 version.
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Re: Favorite Godzilla Era

Postby eabaker » Mon Jan 13, 2014 12:10 pm

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eabaker wrote:^While I recognize that the Millennium fx have some technical superiority over the later Heisei fx, I find that, in the cases of all three of Tezuka's films (though particularly Against Mechagodzilla and Tokyo SOS), the lighting on the fx scenes is awful, and the visuals are just boring.

I just think as a whole series the millenniums era fairs ever so slightly better in terms of effects, the first three Heisei films without question have better effects than most of the Millennium films. but as a whole the era had more sub par effects than the Millennium era, say what you will about the Kiryu saga but there's no question that Mothra looked beautiful in SOS, the mobility was top notch, especially compared to the 92 version.


Like I said, I'll agree that there were technical improvements. It's just that, with storytelling and photography that dull, I honestly can't bring myself to pay enough attention to the fx scenes to really enjoy those improvements. I've have never been able to focus on Tokyo SOS all the way through; as soon as the monsters start showing up, I just start zoning out.
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Re: Favorite Godzilla Era

Postby LiquidG » Mon Jan 13, 2014 12:11 pm

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LiquidG wrote:
eabaker wrote:^While I recognize that the Millennium fx have some technical superiority over the later Heisei fx, I find that, in the cases of all three of Tezuka's films (though particularly Against Mechagodzilla and Tokyo SOS), the lighting on the fx scenes is awful, and the visuals are just boring.

I just think as a whole series the millenniums era fairs ever so slightly better in terms of effects, the first three Heisei films without question have better effects than most of the Millennium films. but as a whole the era had more sub par effects than the Millennium era, say what you will about the Kiryu saga but there's no question that Mothra looked beautiful in SOS, the mobility was top notch, especially compared to the 92 version.


Like I said, I'll agree that there were technical improvements. It's just that, with storytelling and photography that dull, I honestly can't bring myself to pay enough attention to the fx scenes to really enjoy those improvements. I've have never been able to focus on Tokyo SOS all the way through; as soon as the monsters start showing up, I just start zoning out.

Indeed, to be honest I actually like Battle for Earth better than a majority of Millennium of films.
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Re: Favorite Godzilla Era

Postby eabaker » Mon Jan 13, 2014 12:13 pm

LiquidG wrote:Indeed, to be honest I actually like Battle for Earth better than a majority of Millennium of films.


Actually, so do I. The only Millennium film I can definitively say I'd rank above it would be GMK.
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Re: Favorite Godzilla Era

Postby LiquidG » Mon Jan 13, 2014 12:18 pm

eabaker wrote:
LiquidG wrote:Indeed, to be honest I actually like Battle for Earth better than a majority of Millennium of films.


Actually, so do I. The only Millennium film I can definitively say I'd rank above it would be GMK.

Yeah GMK is pretty much a Diamond amongst a pile of dirty rocks, I would put the worst of the Heisei series ( save for Mechagodzilla ) above most of the Millennium series actually, I'm not saying the latter 90s films are masterpieces but damn were they more entertaining, at least to me.
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Re: Favorite Godzilla Era

Postby three » Tue Jan 14, 2014 10:32 pm

either i'm late to this, or i've been here and completely drew a blank just now.

either way, my favorite era of films is heisei. the reasons are pretty simple: a different kind of continuity, the designs of the monsters of the early films, a lack of the hand of CGI (which i can explain, if need be), the sheer fun of the era (stay with me here -- showa is MORE fun to me but it has its moments where my interest dulls), and finally the character development of kaiju and human individuals.

the earlier films, everything from RoG to GvMG2 had great design IMO. even though the Rodan prop was stiff as a board, the look and powerup were both pretty neat. showa Rodan looked...well like a puppet. a bad one. and showa Rodan wasn't exactly flexible either, so i cut plenty of slack for heisei Rodan (which i also can see the fault in, so i don't really blame other members for disliking h Rodan either).
other cool designs were King Ghidorah, who looked like a real monster and was beautiful in that weird, evil gold bar way. Biollante really doesn't need a ton of explanation -- creative concept and well executed. Godzilla's suit looked fantastic after RoG and up until MG2 when he "bulked" up. speaking of MG2, he looked pretty nifty as well, and i prefer this version of him (in terms of look as opposed to personality) because he looks sleeker, more mechanical -- you've got that polished gloss going on, and super MG is a weapon no kaiju can take lightly.

a different type of continuity refers to the consistency of character rather than actual connect - the - dots continuation within the universe of the films. what i mean to say is Godzilla is unquestionably the problem. he does not sway back and forth -- rather he is always the animal on a rampage and any kaiju caught was merely in the way of what he was trying to do. his enemies are also always (even in the case of MG2) always in the moral wrong.

the fun factor comes from how creative and how much of a sandbox Toho let the heisei films become. heisei has its dull moments, but it's consistently creative and entertaining from movie to movie, and not just in the monster fights.

and tying into calling Godzilla "the problem" there's the development of characters. personally, Godzilla and other creatures like Biollante developed nicely in terms of who they turned out to be, and how they carried that from movie to movie (characters like miki are also good examples.). Rodan's desire to protect his "brother", Space Godzilla's evil desire, all of the kaiju really kinda grew into their own. i enjoyed that.

as for the lack of overwhelming CGI, sometimes it's just better if something is actually in front of the screen, and in the millenium era there wasn't overwhelming amounts but there were horrible CG shots that i just...i don't wanna deal with.

so yea,

heisei

showa

millenium.
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Re: Favorite Godzilla Era

Postby Captain Aktion » Tue Jan 14, 2014 10:41 pm

I swear to God, the only reason anybody posts in a "favorite" anything thread on this forum is to get into an argument.

Favorite Godzilla era??? I don't have one, that's faintly stupid to me and I'm not entirely sure that there's any such thing as an "era" of Godzilla films. Just a designation category happy fans made up to easily compartmentalize the things they like. I have favorite Godzilla films, not a favorite span of years...I mean, what's the point of "era" other than something to disagree on and argue about? Isn't it all one series, whether each and every film is connected or not?
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Re: Favorite Godzilla Era

Postby Gamera vs Rodan » Tue Jan 14, 2014 10:44 pm

Captain Aktion wrote:I swear to God, the only reason anybody posts in a "favorite" anything thread on this forum is to get into an argument.

Favorite Godzilla era??? I don't have one, that's faintly stupid to me and I'm not entirely sure that there's any such thing as an "era" of Godzilla films. Just a designation category happy fans made up to easily compartmentalize the things they like. I have favorite Godzilla films, not a favorite span of years...I mean, what's the point of "era" other than something to disagree on and argue about? Isn't it all one series, whether each and every film is connected or not?


I'd argue the Heisei era is pretty consistent in a lot of categories. I'd definitely agree it's hard to call all of Showa one era because it goes through so many changes.

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Re: Favorite Godzilla Era

Postby eabaker » Wed Jan 15, 2014 12:21 am

Captain Aktion wrote:I mean, what's the point of "era" other than something to disagree on and argue about?


A context from which to think about a film while watching it? One possible starting point for discussing trends in narrative, character, and style?
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Re: Favorite Godzilla Era

Postby mechabrent » Wed Jan 15, 2014 4:52 am

three wrote:either i'm late to this, or i've been here and completely drew a blank just now.

either way, my favorite era of films is heisei. the reasons are pretty simple: a different kind of continuity, the designs of the monsters of the early films, a lack of the hand of CGI (which i can explain, if need be), the sheer fun of the era (stay with me here -- showa is MORE fun to me but it has its moments where my interest dulls), and finally the character development of kaiju and human individuals.

the earlier films, everything from RoG to GvMG2 had great design IMO. even though the Rodan prop was stiff as a board, the look and powerup were both pretty neat. showa Rodan looked...well like a puppet. a bad one. and showa Rodan wasn't exactly flexible either, so i cut plenty of slack for heisei Rodan (which i also can see the fault in, so i don't really blame other members for disliking h Rodan either).
other cool designs were King Ghidorah, who looked like a real monster and was beautiful in that weird, evil gold bar way. Biollante really doesn't need a ton of explanation -- creative concept and well executed. Godzilla's suit looked fantastic after RoG and up until MG2 when he "bulked" up. speaking of MG2, he looked pretty nifty as well, and i prefer this version of him (in terms of look as opposed to personality) because he looks sleeker, more mechanical -- you've got that polished gloss going on, and super MG is a weapon no kaiju can take lightly.

a different type of continuity refers to the consistency of character rather than actual connect - the - dots continuation within the universe of the films. what i mean to say is Godzilla is unquestionably the problem. he does not sway back and forth -- rather he is always the animal on a rampage and any kaiju caught was merely in the way of what he was trying to do. his enemies are also always (even in the case of MG2) always in the moral wrong.

the fun factor comes from how creative and how much of a sandbox Toho let the heisei films become. heisei has its dull moments, but it's consistently creative and entertaining from movie to movie, and not just in the monster fights.

and tying into calling Godzilla "the problem" there's the development of characters. personally, Godzilla and other creatures like Biollante developed nicely in terms of who they turned out to be, and how they carried that from movie to movie (characters like miki are also good examples.). Rodan's desire to protect his "brother", Space Godzilla's evil desire, all of the kaiju really kinda grew into their own. i enjoyed that.

as for the lack of overwhelming CGI, sometimes it's just better if something is actually in front of the screen, and in the millenium era there wasn't overwhelming amounts but there were horrible CG shots that i just...i don't wanna deal with.

so yea,

heisei

showa

millenium.


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Re: Favorite Godzilla Era

Postby Captain Aktion » Wed Jan 15, 2014 11:58 am

eabaker wrote:A context from which to think about a film while watching it? One possible starting point for discussing trends in narrative, character, and style?


So, all things that nobody here is really talking about?
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Re: Favorite Godzilla Era

Postby eabaker » Wed Jan 15, 2014 12:34 pm

Captain Aktion wrote:
eabaker wrote:A context from which to think about a film while watching it? One possible starting point for discussing trends in narrative, character, and style?


So, all things that nobody here is really talking about?


Yeah, pretty much.
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Re: Favorite Godzilla Era

Postby Mechagigan » Sun Jun 01, 2014 6:38 pm

My thoughts on each era, with them in my preferred order.

Showa - The most creative and entertaining era, and certainly the most famous. Logic was usually thrown out the window, but that wasn't a bad thing at all. However, when logic did stay, classics such as Gojira were made. Though the family-friendly angle was unsuccessful, it made for some great laughs, giving it a pass.
Millenium - Very stylistic and recognizable, with a good mix of fantasy and reality. Each movie treated as its own entity allowed for loads of originality, and the two films that were tied together made a fun mini-series. Sometimes, there were traces of style over substance, along with some designs looking too unnatural, which is never a good thing.
Heisei - Set in an interesting near-reality with an uncommon (in the series) continuity. The monsters usually looked nothing short of amazing, though at times they were truly terrible (For example, the tennis-ball headed Mothra.), and the same goes with the sometimes fascinating, sometimes boring plots. Miki's psychic character devolved noticeably into a preachy annoyance by SpaceGodzilla, and the continuity sometimes made less sense than it made plenty of.

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Re: Favorite Godzilla Era

Postby attilagodzilla » Mon Jun 02, 2014 8:28 am

I like each Era, but the showa Era is my favorite.
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