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Re: Improve up to 3 kaiju.

Postby Living Corpse » Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:46 pm

Malchik wrote:
Living Corpse wrote:Monsterverse King Ghidorah: Remove the man eating, food was never this things motivation.

Food wasn't a thing for him in the movie. His attention to killing humans illustrated him as being a malicious bastard. I loved seeing monsters finally eating people.


What do you mean "finally"? It's happen in all the Monstverse films. :?

G2014: FeMUTO kills some soldiers by eating them as revenge for her eggs while trying to get a nuke.
K:SI: Guy falls into Kong's mouth as a means of killing him. And Skullcrawlers.

We've had multiple monsters eat people in every movie so far, and ironically only one type, the Skullcralwers, did for food. Every other monster just did as a means of killing.
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Re: Improve up to 3 kaiju.

Postby Fish Cakes » Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:35 pm

Varan: Use him again.
Baragon: Use him again.
Hedorah: Use him again.
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Re: Improve up to 3 kaiju.

Postby Stump Feet » Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:39 pm

Now those are some improvements I can get behind!
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Re: Improve up to 3 kaiju.

Postby G2000 » Mon Jul 29, 2019 3:53 pm

Malchik wrote:If only that worked for Hindus of South Asia when the Muslim conquest kicked their asses.


I mean they have the lion's share of the subcontinent nowadays

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On-topic, when it comes to Varan isn't it interesting how many of his proposed revivals delve into the fantastical? In '95 they were going to make him a harbinger of the apocalypse, a hell-beast able to go one-on-one with Godzilla, while in the initial GMK drafts he was going to be a guardian monster with wind/weather based powers. If Varan does make a reappearance I sort of want those fantasy elements there
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Re: Improve up to 3 kaiju.

Postby Terasawa » Mon Jul 29, 2019 4:10 pm

G2000 wrote:On-topic, when it comes to Varan isn't it interesting how many of his proposed revivals delve into the fantastical? In '95 they were going to make him a harbinger of the apocalypse, a hell-beast able to go one-on-one with Godzilla, while in the initial GMK drafts he was going to be a guardian monster with wind/weather based powers. If Varan does make a reappearance I sort of want those fantasy elements there


Well he was viewed as a deity by the people in the surrounding village in his debut, I think that may have been where the fantasy elements in later story ideas came from. I think those elements add to the character and I'd prefer to see those too, instead of just another large dinosaurian thing.
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Re: Improve up to 3 kaiju.

Postby Malchik » Mon Jul 29, 2019 4:27 pm

I don't think anyone really knows what to do with Varan. I love the character but GMK was his one chance IMO. I with Toho had more faith in the script and kept Varan in the film.

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Re: Improve up to 3 kaiju.

Postby Stump Feet » Mon Jul 29, 2019 4:29 pm

I want a supernatural Varan that summons wind and rain storms when he appears :P

In the original he was accompanied by a freak wind storm so that's definitely where his weather abilities would have come from for GMK.
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Re: Improve up to 3 kaiju.

Postby tyrantgoji » Mon Jul 29, 2019 4:30 pm

Malchik wrote:I don't think anyone really knows what to do with Varan. I love the character but GMK was his one chance IMO. I with Toho had more faith in the script and kept Varan in the film.


if Varan had any chance for anything,it was the 95 script where he was the God of Destruction/doomsday omen. then that went through the cracks and nothing ever really came up since.

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Re: Improve up to 3 kaiju.

Postby Tyrant_Lizard_King » Mon Jul 29, 2019 11:59 pm

Varan's greatest role was surprisingly in the Marc Cerasini novel Godzilla 2000. Really love what he did with Varan in that book.
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Re: Improve up to 3 kaiju.

Postby Living Corpse » Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:51 am

Tyrant_Lizard_King wrote:Varan's greatest role was surprisingly in the Marc Cerasini novel Godzilla 2000. Really love what he did with Varan in that book.


Yeah the fight with the Raptor is easily my favorite fight in that novel. It's like what if we had a more grounded Super-X fight a monster besides Godzilla or any of the other big name A listers.

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G2000 wrote:On-topic, when it comes to Varan isn't it interesting how many of his proposed revivals delve into the fantastical? In '95 they were going to make him a harbinger of the apocalypse, a hell-beast able to go one-on-one with Godzilla, while in the initial GMK drafts he was going to be a guardian monster with wind/weather based powers. If Varan does make a reappearance I sort of want those fantasy elements there


Well he was viewed as a deity by the people in the surrounding village in his debut, I think that may have been where the fantasy elements in later story ideas came from. I think those elements add to the character and I'd prefer to see those too, instead of just another large dinosaurian thing.


His original movie seemed to have wind come up when he was around and the aforementioned novel they explained his flight and said wind.
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Re: Improve up to 3 kaiju.

Postby Rhedosaurus » Tue Jul 30, 2019 8:21 am

Stump Feet wrote:Manda doesn't need flashy Heisei powers to make him cool, Manda's just fine the way he is.


Manda only existed as a plot device as something the Gotengo/Atragon can defeat and nothing else. He needs to be more then that. Even more so considering how powerful Far Eastern dragons are.

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Funny you mention this. In my drawing of a ying-lung version of Manda, I made it so that he had fangs in the back of his top jaw like a boomslang and the ability to shoot venom like a spitting corba.

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Re: Improve up to 3 kaiju.

Postby edgaguirus » Tue Jul 30, 2019 12:25 pm

Venom would be a god weapon.

To improve Gaira, make him part seaweed. Gaira would be an animal/plant hybrid. He would have seaweed incorporated into his flesh, and could control it mentally. With a thought, Gaira could send a seaweed vine to grab or strangle an enemy.
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Re: Improve up to 3 kaiju.

Postby Stump Feet » Tue Jul 30, 2019 12:28 pm

That sounds a little too much, if we went with a partial seaweed ability, I'd prefer if it worked as regen and a method of multiplying.
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Re: Improve up to 3 kaiju.

Postby Dracosaurian » Tue Jul 30, 2019 5:06 pm

edgaguirus wrote:Venom would be a god weapon.

To improve Gaira, make him part seaweed. Gaira would be an animal/plant hybrid. He would have seaweed incorporated into his flesh, and could control it mentally. With a thought, Gaira could send a seaweed vine to grab or strangle an enemy.


Hmmm. The seaweed ability sounds interesting and terrifying for people. Gaira attacking ships near the coast and the people desperately swimming toward shore and they think they're gonna make it, when suddenly bundles of seaweed shoot up from the seafloor and keeps them wrapped in place. Gaira then takes his sweet time in picking them off one by one.

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Re: Improve up to 3 kaiju.

Postby Living Corpse » Tue Jul 30, 2019 5:27 pm

Rhedosaurus wrote:
Stump Feet wrote:Manda doesn't need flashy Heisei powers to make him cool, Manda's just fine the way he is.


Manda only existed as a plot device as something the Gotengo/Atragon can defeat and nothing else. He needs to be more then that. Even more so considering how powerful Far Eastern dragons are.


Just use the CGI to make him slither on land fast. GFW squandered that chance by killing him in the first few minutes.
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Re: Improve up to 3 kaiju.

Postby Rhedosaurus » Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:22 am

Living Corpse wrote:
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Stump Feet wrote:Manda doesn't need flashy Heisei powers to make him cool, Manda's just fine the way he is.


Manda only existed as a plot device as something the Gotengo/Atragon can defeat and nothing else. He needs to be more then that. Even more so considering how powerful Far Eastern dragons are.


Just use the CGI to make him slither on land fast. GFW squandered that chance by killing him in the first few minutes.



But wouldn't that just make him a giant sea snake with legs and horns though? Seems a bit too mundane.


edgaguirus wrote:Venom would be a god weapon.


Indeed. Other then Spigas/Kumonga, I don't know of any other kaiju that has a toxic venomous bite.

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Postby Gojira1604 » Sat Aug 10, 2019 8:45 am

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Re: Improve up to 3 kaiju.

Postby Destorogoji » Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:33 am

Gamera: Stay with the Heisei origin for every new incarnation.
I truly believe the Heisei origin is what sets him apart from Godzilla; plus, the Magatama and Asian mythology surrounding those films is just beautiful. Even for a more family-friendly version, the Heisei origin keeps working perfectly.

Legion: Make the Queen more durable! I know, Gamera '96 was a tribute to the JSDF, but c'mon, that's what the little swarm is for! To make a threat to human-level conflict, while we have the Queen as the kaiju size threat that needs a kaiju to be defeated.

Hedorah: the alien origin is fine, but I believe if you make him a monster created by humans it could resonate a lot more for today's context.
Just imagine: Hedorah designed as a bio-weapon deployed by military forces on Middle-Eastern territories, it soon goes against their creators, going on a rampage and growing, absorbing pollutants while sending CO2 to the Atmosphere. That's a horrifying idea of a monster and is loyal to the ambientalist Showa message.
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Re: Improve up to 3 kaiju.

Postby DirektorSplennic » Mon Aug 12, 2019 1:10 pm

Hedorah was a bio weapon in the anime trilogy.
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Re: Improve up to 3 kaiju.

Postby tyrantgoji » Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:39 pm

SpaceGodzilla: Make him less bulky so he can actually move.

Kiryu: Make him look more like the 54 Godzilla like some of his concept art

Anime Godzilla: Make him only 130 meters tall,make him less bulky and make him less overpowered.


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