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Re: Godzilla Having a Mate

Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:10 pm
by LegendZilla
GoWhaleTours wrote:
LegendZilla wrote:
Malchik wrote: Including Godzilla kids was mistake made twice in this franchise.
Does that include Godzilla Vs Destoroyah?
Minya and Zilla raptors.
I know it's a gamble, but what if we get lucky and end up with a Godzilla Junior '95-type scenario?

Re: Godzilla Having a Mate

Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:50 pm
by MaxRebo320
GoWhaleTours wrote:
LegendZilla wrote:
Malchik wrote: Including Godzilla kids was mistake made twice in this franchise.
Does that include Godzilla Vs Destoroyah?
Minya and Zilla raptors.
But this was one of mankind's greatest accomplishments, no doubt.
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Re: Godzilla Having a Mate

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:36 am
by Vakanai
I'm okay with the idea. Kind of telling that many people's minds immediately went to the smutty gutter on that and said "I don't want that!" when there was no reason to assume any xxx kaiju action would be shown or talked about. You can give Godzilla a mate and keep everything onscreen perfectly PG. Anyways, not sure I'd want it in an ongoing continuity, but for something like the Millennium series or Shin where's each film is disconnected, sure, let's try it out.

Re: Godzilla Having a Mate

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:06 am
by GuardianGhido
Vakanai wrote:I'm okay with the idea. Kind of telling that many people's minds immediately went to the smutty gutter on that and said "I don't want that!" when there was no reason to assume any xxx kaiju action would be shown or talked about. You can give Godzilla a mate and keep everything onscreen perfectly PG. Anyways, not sure I'd want it in an ongoing continuity, but for something like the Millennium series or Shin where's each film is disconnected, sure, let's try it out.
Mothra and Godzilla's interactions in the Monsterverse so far is a great example of what could be perceived as non-smutty Kaiju romance. Some people were like Barnes and found it messed up while others like me liked it a lot. You could take some cues from this if you really portray Godzilla with a potential mate. (even if they are possibly incapable of actually mating like Mothra).

Re: Godzilla Having a Mate

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:09 am
by edgaguirus
I wouldn't mind it. It worked with Komodothrax, so a mate or potential mate for Toho Godzilla could be done. However, it must work with the plotline of the film.

Re: Godzilla Having a Mate

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:57 am
by Vakanai
GuardianGhido wrote:
Vakanai wrote:I'm okay with the idea. Kind of telling that many people's minds immediately went to the smutty gutter on that and said "I don't want that!" when there was no reason to assume any xxx kaiju action would be shown or talked about. You can give Godzilla a mate and keep everything onscreen perfectly PG. Anyways, not sure I'd want it in an ongoing continuity, but for something like the Millennium series or Shin where's each film is disconnected, sure, let's try it out.
Mothra and Godzilla's interactions in the Monsterverse so far is a great example of what could be perceived as non-smutty Kaiju romance. Some people were like Barnes and found it messed up while others like me liked it a lot. You could take some cues from this if you really portray Godzilla with a potential mate. (even if they are possibly incapable of actually mating like Mothra).
I loved the interaction between Godzilla and Mothra in KotM! Mothra was such a great friend and ally in that movie, easily one of the best takes on her yet in my opinion! God, I hope we get another just like her in another Monsterverse film, or Toho takes notes from this one.

Re: Godzilla Having a Mate

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:26 pm
by GuardianGhido
Vakanai wrote:
GuardianGhido wrote:
Vakanai wrote:I'm okay with the idea. Kind of telling that many people's minds immediately went to the smutty gutter on that and said "I don't want that!" when there was no reason to assume any xxx kaiju action would be shown or talked about. You can give Godzilla a mate and keep everything onscreen perfectly PG. Anyways, not sure I'd want it in an ongoing continuity, but for something like the Millennium series or Shin where's each film is disconnected, sure, let's try it out.
Mothra and Godzilla's interactions in the Monsterverse so far is a great example of what could be perceived as non-smutty Kaiju romance. Some people were like Barnes and found it messed up while others like me liked it a lot. You could take some cues from this if you really portray Godzilla with a potential mate. (even if they are possibly incapable of actually mating like Mothra).
I loved the interaction between Godzilla and Mothra in KotM! Mothra was such a great friend and ally in that movie, easily one of the best takes on her yet in my opinion! God, I hope we get another just like her in another Monsterverse film, or Toho takes notes from this one.
Finally a civil response to appreciation of Godzilla and Mothra's interactions instead of "GODZILLA X MOTHRA IS GROSS SO THEIR POSSIBLY PLATONIC INTERACTIONS ARE INHERENTLY POOP". They did a great thing with leaving their relationship vague while still keeping the tenderness in their interactions. For shippers like me, it really paints their relationship in a new light, for everyone else it provides a wonderful close friend or sibling relationship between two allies that protect the balance of the world together.
Thank you for having the thoughtfulness to interpret their relationship as friendship (and uh "allyship" for lack of a better word) instead of immediately dismissing it as gross.

In fact, even if you don't give Godzilla a mate, you could at least give him close friends, or other companions. It really fleshes Godzilla and his allies out and makes them stand out as actual characters instead of plot devices or mindless creatures. It might seem like personifying them too much, but personifying Godzilla is also necessary as he isn't just some insentient animal. He's not a straight up human but he has his own feelings, morals and sense of companionship and kinship.

Re: Godzilla Having a Mate

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:01 pm
by GoWhaleTours
GuardianGhido wrote:
Vakanai wrote:
GuardianGhido wrote: Mothra and Godzilla's interactions in the Monsterverse so far is a great example of what could be perceived as non-smutty Kaiju romance. Some people were like Barnes and found it messed up while others like me liked it a lot. You could take some cues from this if you really portray Godzilla with a potential mate. (even if they are possibly incapable of actually mating like Mothra).
I loved the interaction between Godzilla and Mothra in KotM! Mothra was such a great friend and ally in that movie, easily one of the best takes on her yet in my opinion! God, I hope we get another just like her in another Monsterverse film, or Toho takes notes from this one.
Finally a civil response to appreciation of Godzilla and Mothra's interactions instead of "GODZILLA X MOTHRA IS GROSS SO THEIR POSSIBLY PLATONIC INTERACTIONS ARE INHERENTLY POOP". They did a great thing with leaving their relationship vague while still keeping the tenderness in their interactions. For shippers like me, it really paints their relationship in a new light, for everyone else it provides a wonderful close friend or sibling relationship between two allies that protect the balance of the world together.
Thank you for having the thoughtfulness to interpret their relationship as friendship (and uh "allyship" for lack of a better word) instead of immediately dismissing it as gross.

In fact, even if you don't give Godzilla a mate, you could at least give him close friends, or other companions. It really fleshes Godzilla and his allies out and makes them stand out as actual characters instead of plot devices or mindless creatures. It might seem like personifying them too much, but personifying Godzilla is also necessary as he isn't just some insentient animal. He's not a straight up human but he has his own feelings, morals and sense of companionship and kinship.
I’m not even a shipper and I’m sick of these people acting like everything they see with Godzilla and Mothra in it is disgusting lewd porn.

Re: Godzilla Having a Mate

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:07 pm
by Malchik
GuardianGhido wrote: I loved the interaction between Godzilla and Mothra in KotM! Mothra was such a great friend and ally in that movie, easily one of the best takes on her yet in my opinion!
Considering Mothra had such little screen time and essentially made the exact same sacrifice as Fire Rodan did in GvsMGII, I never considered her actions other than helping the lesser evil destroy a greater evil. I feel there is just as much projection here as the people you criticize.

Re: Godzilla Having a Mate

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:10 pm
by eabaker
For those who really want Godzilla to have a mate, I'm curious what you see as the ultimate narrative and thematic goal? Like, what actual story potential do you see in this? How would it affect the drama?

Re: Godzilla Having a Mate

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:13 pm
by Living Corpse
GoWhaleTours wrote: I’m not even a shipper and I’m sick of these people acting like everything they see with Godzilla and Mothra in it is disgusting lewd porn.
I know, it's like they go REEEEEEEEE!

Re: Godzilla Having a Mate

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:11 pm
by Vakanai
Malchik wrote:
GuardianGhido wrote: I loved the interaction between Godzilla and Mothra in KotM! Mothra was such a great friend and ally in that movie, easily one of the best takes on her yet in my opinion!
Considering Mothra had such little screen time and essentially made the exact same sacrifice as Fire Rodan did in GvsMGII, I never considered her actions other than helping the lesser evil destroy a greater evil. I feel there is just as much projection here as the people you criticize.
Um, you quoted what I said instead of what GG said, and I don't remember criticizing anyone. I just really loved this version of Mothra.

Also calling MV Godzilla the lesser evil is kind of weird because he isn't evil. Pretty much the only actions he's taken is to go after kaiju threats. Plus it was implied that this version of Godzilla and Mothra (at least their species) has an ancient symbiotic relationship.

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eabaker wrote:For those who really want Godzilla to have a mate, I'm curious what you see as the ultimate narrative and thematic goal? Like, what actual story potential do you see in this? How would it affect the drama?
There's lots of ways you can utilize a mate in fiction. Have either Godzilla or his mate be in danger so the other has to come to the rescue, have Godzilla start a family by showing an egg and later a son/daughter that needs protecting, have an ally to go into battle with against a big foe. There's plenty of options.

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GuardianGhido wrote:
Vakanai wrote:
GuardianGhido wrote: Mothra and Godzilla's interactions in the Monsterverse so far is a great example of what could be perceived as non-smutty Kaiju romance. Some people were like Barnes and found it messed up while others like me liked it a lot. You could take some cues from this if you really portray Godzilla with a potential mate. (even if they are possibly incapable of actually mating like Mothra).
I loved the interaction between Godzilla and Mothra in KotM! Mothra was such a great friend and ally in that movie, easily one of the best takes on her yet in my opinion! God, I hope we get another just like her in another Monsterverse film, or Toho takes notes from this one.
Finally a civil response to appreciation of Godzilla and Mothra's interactions instead of "GODZILLA X MOTHRA IS GROSS SO THEIR POSSIBLY PLATONIC INTERACTIONS ARE INHERENTLY POOP". They did a great thing with leaving their relationship vague while still keeping the tenderness in their interactions. For shippers like me, it really paints their relationship in a new light, for everyone else it provides a wonderful close friend or sibling relationship between two allies that protect the balance of the world together.
Thank you for having the thoughtfulness to interpret their relationship as friendship (and uh "allyship" for lack of a better word) instead of immediately dismissing it as gross.

In fact, even if you don't give Godzilla a mate, you could at least give him close friends, or other companions. It really fleshes Godzilla and his allies out and makes them stand out as actual characters instead of plot devices or mindless creatures. It might seem like personifying them too much, but personifying Godzilla is also necessary as he isn't just some insentient animal. He's not a straight up human but he has his own feelings, morals and sense of companionship and kinship.
To be fair, while I'm not a shipper, it's not like I'd be all that against Mothra x Godzilla either. I mean, there's been weirder things in this franchise. Besides, even if their relationship was of the more romantic variety it's not like the series is going to suddenly become kaiju porno. I just think it's weird that whenever something like this is brought up people's minds go to giant monster sex. It's just a weird gut reaction to something we will never see on screen. Most we'd ever see is just the two being near each other and helping each other out like in the movie. And I don't think people needed to wash their eyes out with what we saw on screen this time. I mean, mate, friends, allies, I just assume the more heroic Showa styled Goji should have other monsters on his side.

Re: Godzilla Having a Mate

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:00 am
by eabaker
Vakanai wrote:
eabaker wrote:For those who really want Godzilla to have a mate, I'm curious what you see as the ultimate narrative and thematic goal? Like, what actual story potential do you see in this? How would it affect the drama?
There's lots of ways you can utilize a mate in fiction. Have either Godzilla or his mate be in danger so the other has to come to the rescue, have Godzilla start a family by showing an egg and later a son/daughter that needs protecting, have an ally to go into battle with against a big foe. There's plenty of options.
I'm not asking about plot utility; I'm asking about the fundamental story needs that would motivate the inclusion of the character in the first place.

Re: Godzilla Having a Mate

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 12:48 pm
by MechaGoji Bro7503
Having a female member of Godzilla's kind so there's an appeal to little girls might be major bank for Toho. Might.

Fundamental story need for such an idea? I'm not an advocate of giving Godzilla a damsel so I dunno. Probably nothing really.

Re: Godzilla Having a Mate

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 1:45 pm
by Malchik
MechaGoji Bro7503 wrote:Having a female member of Godzilla's kind so there's an appeal to little girls might be major bank for Toho. Might.
Worked great for Marvel Comics.

I'm being sarcastic.

Re: Godzilla Having a Mate

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 1:51 pm
by Vakanai
eabaker wrote:
Vakanai wrote:
eabaker wrote:For those who really want Godzilla to have a mate, I'm curious what you see as the ultimate narrative and thematic goal? Like, what actual story potential do you see in this? How would it affect the drama?
There's lots of ways you can utilize a mate in fiction. Have either Godzilla or his mate be in danger so the other has to come to the rescue, have Godzilla start a family by showing an egg and later a son/daughter that needs protecting, have an ally to go into battle with against a big foe. There's plenty of options.
I'm not asking about plot utility; I'm asking about the fundamental story needs that would motivate the inclusion of the character in the first place.
You're barking up the wrong tree here, I'm not a script writer. I imagine actual film writers though should be able to accomplish that.

Re: Godzilla Having a Mate

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:26 pm
by Gigantis
MechaGoji Bro7503 wrote:Having a female member of Godzilla's kind so there's an appeal to little girls might be major bank for Toho. Might.

Fundamental story need for such an idea? I'm not an advocate of giving Godzilla a damsel so I dunno. Probably nothing really.
i mean, it kinda did work for Toho. Mothra got so popular with girls that Godzilla vs Mothra became the number 1 highest grossing film of the Heisei era of the franchise.

Re: Godzilla Having a Mate

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:31 pm
by Living Corpse
I'm just glad it seems like Godzilla is gonna have an army again like he did in the Showa films. Not counting his kids, dude hasn't had friends or allies in decades. He's almost as lonely as Gamera.

Who knows, maybe Godzilla vs Kong will have both of them leading an army of monsters against one another as they battle to decide who is the king of all monsters.

Re: Godzilla Having a Mate

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 5:15 pm
by Alucard
Living Corpse wrote:I'm just glad it seems like Godzilla is gonna have an army again like he did in the Showa films. Not counting his kids, dude hasn't had friends or allies in decades. He's almost as lonely as Gamera.

Who knows, maybe Godzilla vs Kong will have both of them leading an army of monsters against one another as they battle to decide who is the king of all monsters.
Apparently, King Kong had heard the call of both Ghidorah AND Godzilla and he decided to not go with either. I feel like they're definitely going to give him an army of his own.

Re: Godzilla Having a Mate

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 5:22 pm
by Living Corpse
Alucard wrote:
Living Corpse wrote:I'm just glad it seems like Godzilla is gonna have an army again like he did in the Showa films. Not counting his kids, dude hasn't had friends or allies in decades. He's almost as lonely as Gamera.

Who knows, maybe Godzilla vs Kong will have both of them leading an army of monsters against one another as they battle to decide who is the king of all monsters.
Apparently, King Kong had heard the call of both Ghidorah AND Godzilla and he decided to not go with either. I feel like they're definitely going to give him an army of his own.
Yep, in the novel. They've even sensed each other when Godzilla has swam by Skull Island in the past but ignored each other as neither had anything the other wanted and didn't consider each other as enemies at the time. Makes me wonder what will make them change their mind in the future.