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Re: Kaiju pet peeves

Postby eabaker » Mon Feb 25, 2019 12:26 pm

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Smuggers wrote:I honestly wasn't even aware there was much stock footage in Megalon, they must've hid it really well.


The bulk of it is in Megalon's rampage, IIRC.


If you really watch carefully you can pick out a couple of spots where it's Gigan's claw destroying something instead of Megalon's drill. And of course the darned flaming Mobiloil station shows up.
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Re: Kaiju pet peeves

Postby Dr. Professor » Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:03 pm

The stock footage in Megalon was done gracefully imo.
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Re: Kaiju pet peeves

Postby LSD Jellyfish » Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:21 pm

eabaker wrote:
Kaiju-King42 wrote:
Smuggers wrote:I honestly wasn't even aware there was much stock footage in Megalon, they must've hid it really well.


The bulk of it is in Megalon's rampage, IIRC.


If you really watch carefully you can pick out a couple of spots where it's Gigan's claw destroying something instead of Megalon's drill. And of course the darned flaming Mobiloil station shows up.

Again not defending it, but that’s also an issue with the movies being made in a time where pausing a dvd or even vhs wasn’t even a concept.

The weirdest thing though, is that Gigan is IN Godzilla vs Megalon, so why not just have Gigan do that and not Megalon.
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Re: Kaiju pet peeves

Postby MechaGoji Bro7503 » Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:24 pm

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The weirdest thing though, is that Gigan is IN Godzilla vs Megalon, so why not just have Gigan do that and not Megalon.

It may be because it's essentially a "Jet Jaguar vs Megalon" movie, and Godziller & Gigan were "thrown" in there. If Gigan was planned from the start, he might've been given a destruction scene. That's what I've gathered.
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Re: Kaiju pet peeves

Postby kamilleblu » Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:56 pm

Monster Zero handles stock footage the best. They tried to hide it as much as possible. If it weren't for the quality of the older footage it would be completely invisible to anyone not familiar with the films they pulled clips from.

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Re: Kaiju pet peeves

Postby Smuggers » Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:17 pm

eabaker wrote:If you really watch carefully you can pick out a couple of spots where it's Gigan's claw destroying something instead of Megalon's drill.

Thanks for mentioning this, I now remember noticing this exact thing haha
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Re: Kaiju pet peeves

Postby Terasawa » Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:42 pm

LSD Jellyfish wrote:The weirdest thing though, is that Gigan is IN Godzilla vs Megalon, so why not just have Gigan do that and not Megalon.


Because it was easier and cheaper to cut in brief shots of Gigan's claws smashing planes than filming new footage. Actually it's probably more accurate to say they cut out the "reaction shots" of Gigan and cut in a handful of shots of Megalon to the old sequence.

MechaGoji Bro7503 wrote:It may be because it's essentially a "Jet Jaguar vs Megalon" movie, and Godziller & Gigan were "thrown" in there. If Gigan was planned from the start, he might've been given a destruction scene. That's what I've gathered.


It was a Godzilla movie from the start. See here.
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Re: Kaiju pet peeves

Postby JAGzilla » Mon Feb 25, 2019 9:09 pm

GvM also reused some WOTG footage during the military battle, and some GvG footage during the final battle. Gigan's buzzsaw swoops, for example.

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Re: Kaiju pet peeves

Postby MechaGoji Bro7503 » Tue Feb 26, 2019 2:01 pm

Terasawa wrote:
MechaGoji Bro7503 wrote:It may be because it's essentially a "Jet Jaguar vs Megalon" movie, and Godziller & Gigan were "thrown" in there. If Gigan was planned from the start, he might've been given a destruction scene. That's what I've gathered.


It was a Godzilla movie from the start. See here.

Ah, I misremembered. Thanks bro.
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Re: Kaiju pet peeves

Postby LSD Jellyfish » Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:30 pm

Terasawa wrote:
LSD Jellyfish wrote:The weirdest thing though, is that Gigan is IN Godzilla vs Megalon, so why not just have Gigan do that and not Megalon.


Because it was easier and cheaper to cut in brief shots of Gigan's claws smashing planes than filming new footage. Actually it's probably more accurate to say they cut out the "reaction shots" of Gigan and cut in a handful of shots of Megalon to the old sequence.

MechaGoji Bro7503 wrote:It may be because it's essentially a "Jet Jaguar vs Megalon" movie, and Godziller & Gigan were "thrown" in there. If Gigan was planned from the start, he might've been given a destruction scene. That's what I've gathered.


It was a Godzilla movie from the start. See here.



No no I get that. I’m saying Gigan was in the film. So why not have Gigan cannonically destroy the jet fighters. It would be stock footage, but then pure actually watching Gigan destroy them. I guess they wanted more Megalon destruction.
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Re: Kaiju pet peeves

Postby Godzillian » Mon Mar 04, 2019 1:03 pm

kamilleblu wrote:Monster Zero handles stock footage the best. They tried to hide it as much as possible. If it weren't for the quality of the older footage it would be completely invisible to anyone not familiar with the films they pulled clips from.

Except they pulled an entire Rodan rampage scene from the original movie
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Re: Kaiju pet peeves

Postby JAGzilla » Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:40 pm

^ Yeah, that's about the only part of GvMZ that annoys me. Great movie overall, but there is a lot of glaring stock footage in that sequence.

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Re: Kaiju pet peeves

Postby LSD Jellyfish » Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:38 pm

How gullible and desperate this fan base is to support very obviously sketchy fan projects. Examples include the whole Kaiju Gaiden snafu.
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Re: Kaiju pet peeves

Postby goji89 » Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:42 pm

LSD Jellyfish wrote:How gullible and desperate this fan base is to support very obviously sketchy fan projects. Examples include the whole Kaiju Gaiden snafu.


Never heard of it......

Looked it up....doesnt look sketchy.

Can you explain it to me?
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Re: Kaiju pet peeves

Postby LSD Jellyfish » Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:48 pm

goji89 wrote:
LSD Jellyfish wrote:How gullible and desperate this fan base is to support very obviously sketchy fan projects. Examples include the whole Kaiju Gaiden snafu.


Never heard of it......

Looked it up....doesnt look sketchy.

Can you explain it to me?

A kickstarter dedicated to interviewing and finding info on obscure and lost Kaiju films and short films. A lot of money was raised, and production began, but other then some small b roll footage of guys in suits fighting it doesn’t look like any progress has been made.

There’s a lot of theorizing that the money was taken for personal gain. A lot of botched things like this has happened within the Kaiju fandom, and realistically it’s caused by people who want some sort of “insider” to get into the obscure Japanese stuff that isn’t easily accessible abroad.
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Re: Kaiju pet peeves

Postby Ben Shapiro » Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:52 pm

Long story short, one of the dudes working on the project took the money and ran to Japan, never to be heard from again.
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Re: Kaiju pet peeves

Postby LSD Jellyfish » Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:07 pm

Ben Shapiro wrote:Long story short, one of the dudes working on the project took the money and ran to Japan, never to be heard from again.

Pretty much. But this all ties into my weird annoyance with the western fandom, being insecure in comparison to the Japanese fandom. It’s definitely died down within the last few years, but it always annoyed me how there was “secret Kaiju knowledge”, like all the films subject in Kaiju a Gaiden, that needed something to unearth, rather then just a language barrier.

Recently TK, the mainsite, have done a fantastic job at unearthing and translating stuff is great.
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Re: Kaiju pet peeves

Postby kamilleblu » Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:15 pm

Godzillian wrote:
kamilleblu wrote:Monster Zero handles stock footage the best. They tried to hide it as much as possible. If it weren't for the quality of the older footage it would be completely invisible to anyone not familiar with the films they pulled clips from.

Except they pulled an entire Rodan rampage scene from the original movie

Monster Zero uses just over a minute of footage from the seven minute rampage sequence from Rodan.

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Re: Kaiju pet peeves

Postby goji89 » Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:17 pm

LSD Jellyfish wrote:A kickstarter dedicated to interviewing and finding info on obscure and lost Kaiju films and short films. A lot of money was raised, and production began, but other then some small b roll footage of guys in suits fighting it doesn’t look like any progress has been made.

There’s a lot of theorizing that the money was taken for personal gain. A lot of botched things like this has happened within the Kaiju fandom, and realistically it’s caused by people who want some sort of “insider” to get into the obscure Japanese stuff that isn’t easily accessible abroad.


So they got hosed? That sucks. I'm in total agreement with you here. Why send money for things like this? Im a fan and all that, but yeah, kickstarters like this should be a red flag.
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Re: Kaiju pet peeves

Postby Godzillian » Tue Mar 05, 2019 6:35 am

kamilleblu wrote:
Godzillian wrote:
kamilleblu wrote:Monster Zero handles stock footage the best. They tried to hide it as much as possible. If it weren't for the quality of the older footage it would be completely invisible to anyone not familiar with the films they pulled clips from.

Except they pulled an entire Rodan rampage scene from the original movie

Monster Zero uses just over a minute of footage from the seven minute rampage sequence from Rodan.

And yet it's obviously from another movie since the suits don't match, hardly the best use of stock footage
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