Re: Kaiju pet peeves
Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2019 6:41 am
We're gonna be three films in this summer and I still have to explain to people (who saw the previous two films) what the Monsterverse is.
Silly I know.
Silly I know.
You see the original Rodan design, from the waist down, for a literal second. How is that not better than what would be done in Godzilla's Revenge, Gigan, and Megalon where the dissimilar suits would be on proud display? Plus, Monster Zero borrows from a sequence that matches the time of day its action is set. Gigan and Megalon unconvincingly darken daylight to pass it off as nighttime.Godzillian wrote:And yet it's obviously from another movie since the suits don't match, hardly the best use of stock footagekamilleblu wrote:Monster Zero uses just over a minute of footage from the seven minute rampage sequence from Rodan.Godzillian wrote: Except they pulled an entire Rodan rampage scene from the original movie
I didn’t make my point very well originally. Consider this timeline:LSD Jellyfish wrote:Terasawa wrote:Because it was easier and cheaper to cut in brief shots of Gigan's claws smashing planes than filming new footage. Actually it's probably more accurate to say they cut out the "reaction shots" of Gigan and cut in a handful of shots of Megalon to the old sequence.LSD Jellyfish wrote:The weirdest thing though, is that Gigan is IN Godzilla vs Megalon, so why not just have Gigan do that and not Megalon.
No no I get that. I’m saying Gigan was in the film. So why not have Gigan cannonically destroy the jet fighters. It would be stock footage, but then pure actually watching Gigan destroy them. I guess they wanted more Megalon destruction.
I never compared it to the other films, all I'm saying is that the sequence entitled isn't as seamless as people are sayingkamilleblu wrote:You see the original Rodan design, from the waist down, for a literal second. How is that not better than what would be done in Godzilla's Revenge, Gigan, and Megalon where the dissimilar suits would be on proud display? Plus, Monster Zero borrows from a sequence that matches the time of day its action is set. Gigan and Megalon unconvincingly darken daylight to pass it off as nighttime.Godzillian wrote:And yet it's obviously from another movie since the suits don't match, hardly the best use of stock footagekamilleblu wrote: Monster Zero uses just over a minute of footage from the seven minute rampage sequence from Rodan.
Okay that makes a lot of sense actually. They weren’t writing films based on what they already had, rather what could be reused once they realized they needed it.Terasawa wrote:I didn’t make my point very well originally. Consider this timeline:LSD Jellyfish wrote:Terasawa wrote:
Because it was easier and cheaper to cut in brief shots of Gigan's claws smashing planes than filming new footage. Actually it's probably more accurate to say they cut out the "reaction shots" of Gigan and cut in a handful of shots of Megalon to the old sequence.
No no I get that. I’m saying Gigan was in the film. So why not have Gigan cannonically destroy the jet fighters. It would be stock footage, but then pure actually watching Gigan destroy them. I guess they wanted more Megalon destruction.
Script is written with Megalon vs JSDF jets sequence. Fukuda and Nakano then set out compiling footage to reuse in the new film. At this point they realize they have the Gigan vs the jets sequence from the previous film, but it’s still easier to cut out the shots of Gigan and film new minimal material of Megalon to match those shots than it would be to rearrange the story.
That’s how I imagine it went anyway. That or they didn’t care that Gigan’s claws don’t perfectly match Megalon’s since those shots only last a few frames each.
Yeah, I think so. Look at all the ideas in the various story treatments that led to Godzilla vs. Gigan and even how ambitious the final film tried to be despite the low budget. They weren’t letting the production restrictions handicap their creativity.LSD Jellyfish wrote:Okay that makes a lot of sense actually. They weren’t writing films based on what they already had, rather what could be reused once they realized they needed it.
The Lost Films book covers a lot of this. There were times Toho just said no to scripts because they would cost too much.Terasawa wrote:Yeah, I think so. Look at all the ideas in the various story treatments that led to Godzilla vs. Gigan and even how ambitious the final film tried to be despite the low budget. They weren’t letting the production restrictions handicap their creativity.LSD Jellyfish wrote:Okay that makes a lot of sense actually. They weren’t writing films based on what they already had, rather what could be reused once they realized they needed it.
No, say it aint so..... .LSD Jellyfish wrote: They weren’t writing films based on what they already had, rather what could be reused once they realized they needed it.
Ah. I never said it was seamless. The grain gives it away. I was comparing it against other Godzilla films that used stock footage. But I applaud them for limiting the recycled footage mainly to city destruction/tanks, matching the lighting, and mixing it with the new material pretty thoroughly.Godzillian wrote:I never compared it to the other films, all I'm saying is that the sequence entitled isn't as seamless as people are saying