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Re: Kaiju pet peeves

Postby Living Corpse » Tue Mar 05, 2019 6:41 am

We're gonna be three films in this summer and I still have to explain to people (who saw the previous two films) what the Monsterverse is.

Silly I know.
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Re: Kaiju pet peeves

Postby kamilleblu » Tue Mar 05, 2019 6:53 am

Godzillian wrote:
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Godzillian wrote:Except they pulled an entire Rodan rampage scene from the original movie

Monster Zero uses just over a minute of footage from the seven minute rampage sequence from Rodan.

And yet it's obviously from another movie since the suits don't match, hardly the best use of stock footage

You see the original Rodan design, from the waist down, for a literal second. How is that not better than what would be done in Godzilla's Revenge, Gigan, and Megalon where the dissimilar suits would be on proud display? Plus, Monster Zero borrows from a sequence that matches the time of day its action is set. Gigan and Megalon unconvincingly darken daylight to pass it off as nighttime.

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Re: Kaiju pet peeves

Postby Terasawa » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:55 pm

LSD Jellyfish wrote:
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LSD Jellyfish wrote:The weirdest thing though, is that Gigan is IN Godzilla vs Megalon, so why not just have Gigan do that and not Megalon.


Because it was easier and cheaper to cut in brief shots of Gigan's claws smashing planes than filming new footage. Actually it's probably more accurate to say they cut out the "reaction shots" of Gigan and cut in a handful of shots of Megalon to the old sequence.



No no I get that. I’m saying Gigan was in the film. So why not have Gigan cannonically destroy the jet fighters. It would be stock footage, but then pure actually watching Gigan destroy them. I guess they wanted more Megalon destruction.


I didn’t make my point very well originally. Consider this timeline:

Script is written with Megalon vs JSDF jets sequence. Fukuda and Nakano then set out compiling footage to reuse in the new film. At this point they realize they have the Gigan vs the jets sequence from the previous film, but it’s still easier to cut out the shots of Gigan and film new minimal material of Megalon to match those shots than it would be to rearrange the story.

That’s how I imagine it went anyway. That or they didn’t care that Gigan’s claws don’t perfectly match Megalon’s since those shots only last a few frames each.
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Re: Kaiju pet peeves

Postby Godzillian » Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:03 pm

kamilleblu wrote:
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kamilleblu wrote:Monster Zero uses just over a minute of footage from the seven minute rampage sequence from Rodan.

And yet it's obviously from another movie since the suits don't match, hardly the best use of stock footage

You see the original Rodan design, from the waist down, for a literal second. How is that not better than what would be done in Godzilla's Revenge, Gigan, and Megalon where the dissimilar suits would be on proud display? Plus, Monster Zero borrows from a sequence that matches the time of day its action is set. Gigan and Megalon unconvincingly darken daylight to pass it off as nighttime.

I never compared it to the other films, all I'm saying is that the sequence entitled isn't as seamless as people are saying
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Re: Kaiju pet peeves

Postby LSD Jellyfish » Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:34 pm

Terasawa wrote:
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Because it was easier and cheaper to cut in brief shots of Gigan's claws smashing planes than filming new footage. Actually it's probably more accurate to say they cut out the "reaction shots" of Gigan and cut in a handful of shots of Megalon to the old sequence.



No no I get that. I’m saying Gigan was in the film. So why not have Gigan cannonically destroy the jet fighters. It would be stock footage, but then pure actually watching Gigan destroy them. I guess they wanted more Megalon destruction.


I didn’t make my point very well originally. Consider this timeline:

Script is written with Megalon vs JSDF jets sequence. Fukuda and Nakano then set out compiling footage to reuse in the new film. At this point they realize they have the Gigan vs the jets sequence from the previous film, but it’s still easier to cut out the shots of Gigan and film new minimal material of Megalon to match those shots than it would be to rearrange the story.

That’s how I imagine it went anyway. That or they didn’t care that Gigan’s claws don’t perfectly match Megalon’s since those shots only last a few frames each.


Okay that makes a lot of sense actually. They weren’t writing films based on what they already had, rather what could be reused once they realized they needed it.
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Re: Kaiju pet peeves

Postby Ben Shapiro » Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:39 pm

These movies really weren’t made to pause and go frame by frame.
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Re: Kaiju pet peeves

Postby Terasawa » Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:55 pm

LSD Jellyfish wrote:Okay that makes a lot of sense actually. They weren’t writing films based on what they already had, rather what could be reused once they realized they needed it.


Yeah, I think so. Look at all the ideas in the various story treatments that led to Godzilla vs. Gigan and even how ambitious the final film tried to be despite the low budget. They weren’t letting the production restrictions handicap their creativity.
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Re: Kaiju pet peeves

Postby Godzillian » Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:08 pm

Terasawa wrote:
LSD Jellyfish wrote:Okay that makes a lot of sense actually. They weren’t writing films based on what they already had, rather what could be reused once they realized they needed it.


Yeah, I think so. Look at all the ideas in the various story treatments that led to Godzilla vs. Gigan and even how ambitious the final film tried to be despite the low budget. They weren’t letting the production restrictions handicap their creativity.

The Lost Films book covers a lot of this. There were times Toho just said no to scripts because they would cost too much.
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Re: Kaiju pet peeves

Postby goji89 » Tue Mar 05, 2019 4:16 pm

LSD Jellyfish wrote: They weren’t writing films based on what they already had, rather what could be reused once they realized they needed it.


No, say it aint so..... :cry: .

Tell me you're lying LSD. That its just to troll us.

It's like a punch to the gut to know they centered the Showa movies on how to re-use old footage.
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Re: Kaiju pet peeves

Postby LSD Jellyfish » Tue Mar 05, 2019 9:56 pm

I garuntee Megalon was given a yellow horn laser to reuse some destruction scenes from GTTHM and IOTAM.

As an aside, none of this was noticeable when I was a child. But now it is when I do marathons before upcoming films and watch them all back to back to back.
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Re: Kaiju pet peeves

Postby kamilleblu » Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:12 am

Godzillian wrote:I never compared it to the other films, all I'm saying is that the sequence entitled isn't as seamless as people are saying

Ah. I never said it was seamless. The grain gives it away. I was comparing it against other Godzilla films that used stock footage. But I applaud them for limiting the recycled footage mainly to city destruction/tanks, matching the lighting, and mixing it with the new material pretty thoroughly.


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