Hedorah vs. Destroyah: Godzilla’s Deadliest Foe
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Yeah Destroyah is just an updated Hedorah. Instead of the focus on pollution, it’s now a focus on nuclear energy, or at least new fission based energy. Likewise Hedorah and DestroyH themselves, in a few ways, are actually Godzilla clones themselves. Shin sortve also ties it together more.
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Within the confines of their film, and judging by the films feats: Hedorah.
As a concept, not counting the execution of the concept: Destroyah.
As a concept, not counting the execution of the concept: Destroyah.
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Yeah, if instead of making Hedorah a space tadpole effected by toxic waste and just a regular tadpole, the similarities would have been one to one. A little more effective, IMO. But the Showa era was obsessed with space monsters.LSD Jellyfish wrote: Likewise Hedorah and DestroyH themselves, in a few ways, are actually Godzilla clones themselves. Shin sortve also ties it together more.
SpaceGodzilla was the shittiest movie in the entire Heisei era, but that doesn't negate the point I was making that he was one of the few enemies with a clear motivation.Grievous wrote: I don't get what the fandom see's in SpaceGodzilla.
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He's just a blue version of Godzilla with a crystal fetish & Professor X powers.
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Personally, I also thought it had to do with his intellect. Most of the other "ultimate" villans are mostly mindless destroyers, so Spacegodzilla's strategizing makes him standout.Malchik wrote:SpaceGodzilla was the shittiest movie in the entire Heisei era, but that doesn't negate the point I was making that he was one of the few enemies with a clear motivation.Grievous wrote: I don't get what the fandom see's in SpaceGodzilla.
Ghidorah I get...Gigan I get...Orga I get...but SpaceGodzilla...
He's just a blue version of Godzilla with a crystal fetish & Professor X powers.
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Re: Hedorah vs. Destroyah: Godzilla’s Deadliest Foe
While Destroyah is powerful and hard to kill, Hedorah is the more dangerous foe. Hedorah cannot be killed by Godzilla. The only injury Godzilla was able to inflict on Hedorah was to take out an eye, and Destroyah had its chest ripped open and was being seriously blasted by the atomic ray as Godzilla neared meltdown. Add the fact that Hedorah had the potential to become much stronger by simply feeding on man's trash and pollution.
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And his motivation was...Malchik wrote:SpaceGodzilla was the shittiest movie in the entire Heisei era, but that doesn't negate the point I was making that he was one of the few enemies with a clear motivation.
To claim a tower & build a crystal garden around it?
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Thought it was something along the lines of taking over the entire planet and terraforming it to his needs. But it's been a minute since I've watched it.Grievous wrote:And his motivation was...Malchik wrote:SpaceGodzilla was the shittiest movie in the entire Heisei era, but that doesn't negate the point I was making that he was one of the few enemies with a clear motivation.
To claim a tower & build a crystal garden around it?
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Re: Hedorah vs. Destroyah: Godzilla’s Deadliest Foe
Yeah, that's pretty well on the money. He started with a fortress to channel his power, and Godzilla stopped him before he could spread further.Maritonic wrote:Thought it was something along the lines of taking over the entire planet and terraforming it to his needs. But it's been a minute since I've watched it.Grievous wrote:And his motivation was...Malchik wrote:SpaceGodzilla was the shittiest movie in the entire Heisei era, but that doesn't negate the point I was making that he was one of the few enemies with a clear motivation.
To claim a tower & build a crystal garden around it?
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Oh...Maritonic wrote:Thought it was something along the lines of taking over the entire planet and terraforming it to his needs.
So that's where DC pulled its villain motivations
from for Man Of Steel & the Justice League.
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Destroyah was never Godzilla’s ultimate foe… take off the nostalgia goggles.KaijuCanuck wrote:I’m sure it’s total coincidence, but it’s kind of cool how both of Godzilla’s ‘ultimate’ foes are these crazy, multiple form, evolving, conglomerating monstrosities.
Yeah, Godzilla wins... sometimes. I mean, he was killed by Dr. Serizawa's patented bubble-bath formula, heartburn, missiles, and poor box office returns, got his ass kicked by a drunken, circus-escaped gorilla, then he was beaten by two newborn worms, yeah some “king”.
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Re: Hedorah vs. Destroyah: Godzilla’s Deadliest Foe
For the Heisei series he most certainly was. He was the final monster of the series and killed Godzilla Jr before severely punishing senior. And the monster fits thematically tying right into the oxygen destroyer.PitchBlackProgress wrote:Destroyah was never Godzilla’s ultimate foe… take off the nostalgia goggles.KaijuCanuck wrote:I’m sure it’s total coincidence, but it’s kind of cool how both of Godzilla’s ‘ultimate’ foes are these crazy, multiple form, evolving, conglomerating monstrosities.
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Nah...LSD Jellyfish wrote:For the Heisei series he most certainly was.
That would go to (Super) MechaGodzilla...at least
it would in my opinion.
If not for the Rodan fueled "Power Up" MechaGodzilla
would have would have ended Godzilla once & for all
& with Rodan also dead the infant Godzilla would have
most likely remained in JSDF custody.
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Re: Hedorah vs. Destroyah: Godzilla’s Deadliest Foe
You could just as easily say if the JDSF didn’t use crying weapons Destroyah would’ve continued his rampage and killed Godzilla. Plus Burning Godzilla is super duper strong. I’m not saying SMG2 isn’t also a great antagonist, in a way it kicks off the second half of the Heisei series, but Destroyah has way more tie in to Godzilla. MG is a robot built with futuristic tech based off Godzilla, Destroyah is the oxygen destroyer. Mg is cool and all, but Destroyah has a big sense of finality to him.Grievous wrote:Nah...LSD Jellyfish wrote:For the Heisei series he most certainly was.
That would go to (Super) MechaGodzilla...at least
it would in my opinion.
If not for the Rodan fueled "Power Up" MechaGodzilla
would have would have ended Godzilla once & for all
& with Rodan also dead the infant Godzilla would have
most likely remained in JSDF custody.
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I would suggest that neither is a particular ultimate foe because both are just given arbitrary deus ex machina abilities to make them a threat... but if anything, Destroyah does have the closer claim with killing Junior. I would kind of resist because his unexploited connection to the Oxygen Destroyer almost docks points off his score; he is a poorly-utilized ultimate foe, but his actions do still (barely) qualify him within the Heisei series.
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What deus ex machina abilities are either of them given? Destroyah is only powerful in concept.Zarm wrote:I would suggest that neither is a particular ultimate foe because both are just given arbitrary deus ex machina abilities to make them a threat... but if anything, Destroyah does have the closer claim with killing Junior. I would kind of resist because his unexploited connection to the Oxygen Destroyer almost docks points off his score; he is a poorly-utilized ultimate foe, but his actions do still (barely) qualify him within the Heisei series.
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Re: Hedorah vs. Destroyah: Godzilla’s Deadliest Foe
I realized both monsters are similar because they’re defeated via technology the humans made and have a crippling weakness that would otherwise not be exploitable. Godzilla was only really able to defeat Hedorah by using that large electrical screen that dries it out. Destroyah as killed via freezing weapons. And still in both cases, though Hedorah is pretty much confirmed, would come back.
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MechaGodzilla is only a lethal threat because of the shock cables and the arbitrary creation of the secondary brain weakness for that film. Destroyah- yeah, he's pretty much only powerful in concept. Perhaps Deus Ex Machina is less the correct term for him than... 'concept never brought to fruition'? He lacks the deadliness of the oxygen destroyer; heck, he kills junior by dropping him from a great height. There's nothing oxygen destroyer about that; Rodan could've done that, or MechaGodzilla, or SpaceGodzilla, or Mothra, or Battra... it just so happens that Destroyah actually did. Likewise, Godzilla's death has nothing to do with micro-oxygen or the destroyer; nor does any of the significant damage or any significant challenge from Godzilla result from it.Maritonic wrote:What deus ex machina abilities are either of them given? Destroyah is only powerful in concept.Zarm wrote:I would suggest that neither is a particular ultimate foe because both are just given arbitrary deus ex machina abilities to make them a threat... but if anything, Destroyah does have the closer claim with killing Junior. I would kind of resist because his unexploited connection to the Oxygen Destroyer almost docks points off his score; he is a poorly-utilized ultimate foe, but his actions do still (barely) qualify him within the Heisei series.
MechaGodzilla is given an arbitrary ability/newly-created weak spot on Godzilla to render him a threat; Destroyah is simply given a meaningless, theoretically-powerful, theoretically-relevant weapon that he never actually uses to any effect.
In terms of power levels and the ability to exploit them, I really would reckon SpaceGodzilla as a better ultimate foe; but in terms of film roles, I think Destroyah barely qualifies- and beats out MechaG and SpaceGodzilla (barely; I mean, SpaceGodzilla also goes after Junior, putting his cumulative total for being more threatening with base powers very near to Destroyah's) by the death of Godzilla's son- and that alone.
(From my perspective, at least).
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I definitely thought you were saying Hedorah and Destoryah had deus ex machina abilities, not MechaG. That's what I get for not reading up. You're talking Heisei only.Zarm wrote:MechaGodzilla is only a lethal threat because of the shock cables and the arbitrary creation of the secondary brain weakness for that film. Destroyah- yeah, he's pretty much only powerful in concept. Perhaps Deus Ex Machina is less the correct term for him than... 'concept never brought to fruition'? He lacks the deadliness of the oxygen destroyer; heck, he kills junior by dropping him from a great height. There's nothing oxygen destroyer about that; Rodan could've done that, or MechaGodzilla, or SpaceGodzilla, or Mothra, or Battra... it just so happens that Destroyah actually did. Likewise, Godzilla's death has nothing to do with micro-oxygen or the destroyer; nor does any of the significant damage or any significant challenge from Godzilla result from it.Maritonic wrote:What deus ex machina abilities are either of them given? Destroyah is only powerful in concept.Zarm wrote:I would suggest that neither is a particular ultimate foe because both are just given arbitrary deus ex machina abilities to make them a threat... but if anything, Destroyah does have the closer claim with killing Junior. I would kind of resist because his unexploited connection to the Oxygen Destroyer almost docks points off his score; he is a poorly-utilized ultimate foe, but his actions do still (barely) qualify him within the Heisei series.
MechaGodzilla is given an arbitrary ability/newly-created weak spot on Godzilla to render him a threat; Destroyah is simply given a meaningless, theoretically-powerful, theoretically-relevant weapon that he never actually uses to any effect.
In terms of power levels and the ability to exploit them, I really would reckon SpaceGodzilla as a better ultimate foe; but in terms of film roles, I think Destroyah barely qualifies- and beats out MechaG and SpaceGodzilla (barely; I mean, SpaceGodzilla also goes after Junior, putting his cumulative total for being more threatening with base powers very near to Destroyah's) by the death of Godzilla's son- and that alone.
(From my perspective, at least).
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Oh, sorry! I may not have been clear in which quote I was responding to.Maritonic wrote:I definitely thought you were saying Hedorah and Destoryah had deus ex machina abilities, not MechaG. That's what I get for not reading up. You're talking Heisei only.
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No, no, if I read the first two or three posts above yours it would have been obvious haha. It's my bad.Zarm wrote:Oh, sorry! I may not have been clear in which quote I was responding to.Maritonic wrote:I definitely thought you were saying Hedorah and Destoryah had deus ex machina abilities, not MechaG. That's what I get for not reading up. You're talking Heisei only.
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