Unit 731 Godzilla Film.

[edgaguirus]

In the Godzilla films previously mentioned, the ideas about the atomic bomb, the war, etc, are mentioned and alluded to, but the main story revolves around the people and monsters. Having Unit 731 as a main plot point would not be a good idea, but as a minor element, if done well, maybe.

[ToxicLove]

@Dracosaurian: yeah I did accuse you and Toxiclove into being into torture porn and in retrospect that was wrong of me. However, I'm asking why specifically of all things what you and Toxic Love's deep fascination with such a topic is. Can you not see, why to others it can come off as strange to want a film involving one of the darkest historical stories to be using Godzilla?

I don't have a moral standpoint here, im probably one of the more moral degenerates here, I'm asking plainly why out of anything this type of thing deserves some sort of push.

My main definition of what makes something explotative is how it's so far removed from the time period in which these events happened where it's no longer relevant. It's dredging up something unwanted and uneeded. G

My talk about real death doesn't mean literal death, for that would be a snuff film, but rather recalling historical events, particularly violent or excruciating ones, in the interest of entertainment. I think given the subject matter, and social context, no matter how well made or well meaning such a film would be, it would be incredibly in bad taste to the families in china who lost grandparents or families, particularly since it would be made by a Japanese company. G54 is s reflection of post ww2 reflection and fears, in which Japan is the victim. In real life Japan was a victim of the atomic bombs. In this hypothetical scenario china is the victim and it's a Japanese made film. That's the difference.

Also if you look at my posts I never said exploration movies are bad, I'm just saying Godzilla would be a horrible idea to mix with these.

Well, now this is much more reasonable, and I'd be delighted to satisfy your curiosity.

To answer your question, no, it doesn't come off as strange to me. Considering the fandom's obsession with inappropriate teen edge and the current rise of grim/dark subject matter in various aspects of fiction, I find it curious that people still shirk at actual horrific events from the past. My "obsession" (though I think you give me too much credit) really falls in line with a historical/artistic interest and study of Imperialistic Japan and the occupation of China sans 1937-1945. Unit 731 is merely an extension of that, and much like the concentration camps that still linger as phantoms in my homeland, it serves a purpose to remember what occurred and learn, however painful it may be. That's why I'm planning a trip to Harbin in the upcoming year, during which I plan to pay my respects to the victims as well as visit the museum. As for "torture porn", I've seen enough gore in my life (both on and off screen) and identified enough friends at the morgue to be slightly desensitized to it. Not saying that aspect and attitude is particularly healthy, mind you, but I don't go in with a blood and guts mentality to a matter. I find more pity, anger, and sadness when looking at old war photographs than jollies.

Another aspect is the director of really the only film about Unit 731, TF Mou, who became of interest to me after I studied a bit about the Shaw Brothers and their slew of directors. I viewed his Lost Souls, and was moved by the way he presented political and social strife in a non-Spielbergian way (aka the sanitation of history which I abhor). I've been attempting to contact him and would like to conduct an interview with him, thus I found it prudent to read up and study the subjects of his other films. This was a few years ago, and here we are now. I recommend the following link, it's most detailed.

http://www.coolasscinema.com/2011/11/ne ... n-fei.html

Oh, I'd say the events are relevant. I think all aspects of history are relevant and seem to be pushed aside in today's fast moving world. I've been around for a while, and sadly, even those who learn history are doomed to repeat it.
As I stated again and again, such a film would never happen. But the musing on the idea is a vexing, if slightly intriguing notion.

[SonofAnguirus]

Not to gloss over the quasi-combative discussion you folks are having about real history, but I want to ensure that anyone with interest in this notion is aware that there is a (decent) series of novels about kaiju that begins with a book centered on Unit 731. It does a good job of attempting to be an entertaining book while also ensuring the reader is aware of some of Unit 731's atrocities and the fact that they did, in fact, occur outside the world of the book. In subsequent iterations of the series, it quickly becomes all about the kaiju. Here's a link to the prequel book that is all about Unit 731:

https://www.amazon.com/Island-731-Thril ... 0312552475

[ToxicLove]

Not to gloss over the quasi-combative discussion you folks are having about real history, but I want to ensure that anyone with interest in this notion is aware that there is a (decent) series of novels about kaiju that begins with a book centered on Unit 731. It does a good job of attempting to be an entertaining book while also ensuring the reader is aware of some of Unit 731's atrocities and the fact that they did, in fact, occur outside the world of the book. In subsequent iterations of the series, it quickly becomes all about the kaiju. Here's a link to the prequel book that is all about Unit 731:

https://www.amazon.com/Island-731-Thril ... 0312552475

Oh posh, this isn't quasi-combative, it's words on the internet with ultimately little value.

However, you have posted a link of value and I'm intrigued as to the contents of said novels. See? I'm not all bad. ; )

On a related note, I am in the midst of planning a trip to Harbin, if time allows I will stop by the Unit 731 Museum and pay my respects.