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Postby darthzilla99 » Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:23 pm

I don't find Yuri or General Tachibana as engaging as people claim them to be in GMK. General Tachibana is just another generic military general in the Godzilla franchise and his background is not interesting for me. He's just as bland as a post biollante heisei character (Mark Russell is a far more interesting character and I find Mark's forgiveness arc towards Godzilla is far more engaging than Tachibana witnessing Godzilla's attack as a kid). Yuri, even in the Japanese version, is extremely cringey for me and I will take the bad dialogue of KOTM over her any day of the week.
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Re: Unpopular Godzilla Opinions

Postby Desghidorah » Sun Aug 09, 2020 9:07 pm

Sometimes the fandom is way too obsessed with being serious about their being a 'definitive Godzilla' or 'correct' way to go about making content for it. If something doesn't float your boat, that's fine. But claiming someone is wrong for not liking a movie you like, making art you don't like, or that they are 'insulting' you or the franchise for doing so is really iffy.
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Re: Unpopular Godzilla Opinions

Postby DirektorSplennic » Sun Aug 09, 2020 9:26 pm

Desghidorah wrote:Sometimes the fandom is way too obsessed with being serious about their being a 'definitive Godzilla' or 'correct' way to go about making content for it. If something doesn't float your boat, that's fine. But claiming someone is wrong for not liking a movie you like, making art you don't like, or that they are 'insulting' you or the franchise for doing so is really iffy.

It's really ridiculous when it comes to figures. I saw some guy in a comment section get blasted because he was happy with his SHMA Shin Godzilla, which generally was a poorly recieved figure. Basically people were saying how he shouldn't like it because paint sucks, overpriced, etc etc. As a proud owner of the SHMA Shin it made me sad because at the end of the day who gives a poop what you collect. It's your collection.
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Re: Unpopular Godzilla Opinions

Postby eabaker » Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:16 am

Cryptid_Liker wrote:I haven't seen one person (who's not a G-fan) call a tokusatsu movie "so bad it's good".


I have seen/heard this many, many times in my life. Most recently about three weeks ago.
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Postby Terasawa » Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:26 am

eabaker wrote:
Cryptid_Liker wrote:I haven't seen one person (who's not a G-fan) call a tokusatsu movie "so bad it's good".


I have seen/heard this many, many times in my life. Most recently about three weeks ago.


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Postby Gigantis » Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:28 am

I've heard tons of non G-Fans call Godzilla films so bad they're good.
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Re: Unpopular Godzilla Opinions

Postby Terasawa » Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:29 am

Most fans are too quick to wholly dismiss an edited version of a Godzilla/kaiju film when, in fact, a lot of them make wise editorial choices that tighten up and in some cases improve upon already very imperfect films.
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Re: Unpopular Godzilla Opinions

Postby DirektorSplennic » Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:33 am

Terasawa wrote:Most fans are too quick to wholly dismiss an edited version of a Godzilla/kaiju film when, in fact, a lot of them make wise editorial choices that tighten up and in some cases improve upon already very imperfect films.

I've come to really accept some edited versions since it adds a little bit of trivia to Toho's history. Talking about different versions of one film is a fun conversation topic.
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Re: Unpopular Godzilla Opinions

Postby godjacob » Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:31 pm

Mothra Leo being a male and having the bullshit abilities it does was owed some type of explanation rather than literally nothing given it seems to break its own species conventions to an absurd degree.

Same applies to Zilla Jr. being born conveniently infertile.
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Re: Unpopular Godzilla Opinions

Postby Terasawa » Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:57 pm

godjacob wrote:Mothra Leo being a male and having the bullshit abilities it does was owed some type of explanation rather than literally nothing given it seems to break its own species conventions to an absurd degree.


1. It did get an explanation. Moll suggests that he drew from the lifeforce of the forest where he was cocooned. We can reason this is different than his mother and can account for his different abilities. (This seems to be the first movie’s implication.)

2. Unless you know the Japanese language, the only ways to watch the Mothra trilogy are dubbed or dubtitled. For all we know, Leo could have been identified as a male in dialogue which wasn’t accurately translated in the dubbing script.

Anyway, I don’t think the audience is “owed an explanation” that Leo is male. His gender has no important bearing on the three films. We only know his gender, presumably, from supplemental material, which is never going to be as important as anything the film tells us. I don’t get why this particularly should be such a big deal. :?

3. “break its own species conventions”. The only other member of its species we see is the female adult that was already very old and frail in ROM. As noted, Leo’s metamorphosis was suggested to be different than his mother’s. The other Toho Mothras don’t apply because the Mothra trilogy is its own self-contained mini universe.

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Terasawa wrote:Most fans are too quick to wholly dismiss an edited version of a Godzilla/kaiju film when, in fact, a lot of them make wise editorial choices that tighten up and in some cases improve upon already very imperfect films.

I've come to really accept some edited versions since it adds a little bit of trivia to Toho's history. Talking about different versions of one film is a fun conversation topic.


For me it’s more than just trivial reasons. There’s a lot of work that went into Americanizing these movies. For example, it’s more than just dubbing and editing. The reasons for why dialogue was dubbed the way it was, or why editorial changes were made: these are almost always overlooked or disingenuously disregarded. Changes weren’t made just for the sake of making changes. I just wish more fans were open to examining and analyzing why the American crews made the changes they did.

There’s also a bias towards the Japanese versions. I think this is an extension of the way some fans choose to view derivative (i.e. Americanized) versions as inherently inferior in every regard.
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Re: Unpopular Godzilla Opinions

Postby VoyagerGoji » Tue Aug 11, 2020 4:48 pm

Over time I’m starting to dislike LP’s depiction of King Ghidorah. I don’t mind Rodan’s new Gigan-ish personality but I wish he was Godzilla sized like in the Showa Era and Final Wars.
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Re: Unpopular Godzilla Opinions

Postby Cryptid_Liker » Tue Aug 11, 2020 5:22 pm

VoyagerGoji wrote:Over time I’m starting to dislike LP’s depiction of King Ghidorah. I don’t mind Rodan’s new Gigan-ish personality but I wish he was Godzilla sized like in the Showa Era and Final Wars.

If you're talking about Ghidorah's design, I 100% agree with the entirety of this post.

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Re: Unpopular Godzilla Opinions

Postby godjacob » Tue Aug 11, 2020 6:30 pm

VoyagerGoji wrote:Over time I’m starting to dislike LP’s depiction of King Ghidorah. I don’t mind Rodan’s new Gigan-ish personality but I wish he was Godzilla sized like in the Showa Era and Final Wars.


Story/character wise or design wise? Cause even if I like it I can see the argument about not being a fan of Ghidorah's look just curious.

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Re: Unpopular Godzilla Opinions

Postby VoyagerGoji » Tue Aug 11, 2020 6:45 pm

Cryptid_Liker wrote:
VoyagerGoji wrote:Over time I’m starting to dislike LP’s depiction of King Ghidorah. I don’t mind Rodan’s new Gigan-ish personality but I wish he was Godzilla sized like in the Showa Era and Final Wars.

If you're talking about Ghidorah's design, I 100% agree with the entirety of this post.


Yes, I dislike KG’s design.

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VoyagerGoji wrote:Over time I’m starting to dislike LP’s depiction of King Ghidorah. I don’t mind Rodan’s new Gigan-ish personality but I wish he was Godzilla sized like in the Showa Era and Final Wars.


Story/character wise or design wise? Cause even if I like it I can see the argument about not being a fan of Ghidorah's look just curious.


Design wise, also I’m not a fan of the heads having different personality. I like it when they have a hive-mind and if one head does something, the others copy.
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Re: Unpopular Godzilla Opinions

Postby godjacob » Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:48 pm

VoyagerGoji wrote:
Cryptid_Liker wrote:
VoyagerGoji wrote:Over time I’m starting to dislike LP’s depiction of King Ghidorah. I don’t mind Rodan’s new Gigan-ish personality but I wish he was Godzilla sized like in the Showa Era and Final Wars.

If you're talking about Ghidorah's design, I 100% agree with the entirety of this post.


Yes, I dislike KG’s design.

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VoyagerGoji wrote:Over time I’m starting to dislike LP’s depiction of King Ghidorah. I don’t mind Rodan’s new Gigan-ish personality but I wish he was Godzilla sized like in the Showa Era and Final Wars.


Story/character wise or design wise? Cause even if I like it I can see the argument about not being a fan of Ghidorah's look just curious.


Design wise, also I’m not a fan of the heads having different personality. I like it when they have a hive-mind and if one head does something, the others copy.


I felt it did more to give this Ghidorah character compared to most versions personally. Plus adds to the whole this is some unnatural, unearthly creature which served the character well.

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Re: Unpopular Godzilla Opinions

Postby Tyrant_Lizard_King » Thu Aug 13, 2020 5:21 pm

A lot like a lot of fan complaints for Showa Ghidorah, for being built up as a great world ending threat I seriously don't think MonsterVerse Ghidorah did enough to prove it. The series as a whole has a horrible case of Tell, Don't Show.
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Re: Unpopular Godzilla Opinions

Postby HedorahIsBestGirl » Thu Aug 13, 2020 5:37 pm

Sadly, Anime Ghidorah actually got the best build-up of any incarnation of the character. Starting with a very ominous reference in COTEOBFJGJFJDJGHGDKMSNFJBVB* and then having him appear as a shadow that literally devoured all of his sacrificial victims. Genuinely gave me the chills...

And then he turned up as three big golden noodles coming out of subspace and had the world's lamest "fight" with Godzilla. What a goddamn letdown. If Death God Ghidorah had lived up to his build-up, he could have been the best incarnation of the character and the saving grace of the whole anime trilogy.

In terms of execution, I maintain that MV Ghidorah is the best. He feels like a more legitimate threat than Showa Ghidorah ever did. Hedorah and Mechagodzilla were both built up much more effectively as menacing villains in the Showa series than Ghidorah was.


*I hate this stupid overlong abbreviation, can we just call the movie "Battle City" from now on?
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Re: Unpopular Godzilla Opinions

Postby Gigantis » Thu Aug 13, 2020 5:53 pm

HedorahIsBestGirl wrote:
I hate this stupid overlong abbreviation, can we just call the movie "Battle City" from now on?


Can we just change the title of the second anime film in general? Like who thought that long title was a good idea?
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Re: Unpopular Godzilla Opinions

Postby HedorahIsBestGirl » Thu Aug 13, 2020 6:09 pm

Gigantis wrote:
HedorahIsBestGirl wrote:
I hate this stupid overlong abbreviation, can we just call the movie "Battle City" from now on?


Can we just change the title of the second anime film in general? Like who thought that long title was a good idea?

I know it's like...

Planet of the Monsters

CITY ON THE EDGE OF BATTLE

The Planet Eater

Huh, which one of these titles sticks out like a sore thumb? And "on the edge of battle" sounds like some cringey Engrish poop. Why didn't they just call it "City of Nanometal" or "Mechagodzilla City" or something?
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