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Re: Unpopular Godzilla Opinions

Postby KaijuCanuck » Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:08 pm

goji89 wrote:
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MechaGoji Bro7503 wrote:KaijuCanuck disappointed me yesterday. You're at the top of the food chain, so you have every right to be disappointed, 89-sama.


Pffff spreading our dirty laundry all over the board like that, you hussy!!! :mad:


Well, its not the first time a Canadian dissapoints......they are just "small" kind of people and can't "perform" well although they do finish "fast" whatever it is they do...like building dams....... ;) .


Man, you must be one of those stupid people I hear so much about. Those loud dumb annoying arrogant people you see on the news all the time. What are they called again? Oh yeah, Americans. :P
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Re: Unpopular Godzilla Opinions

Postby LSD Jellyfish » Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:16 pm

I actually like the pause there, the brief respite between Godzilla killings Mothra and the Larva attacking, but the problem is what the content of what happens there is underwhelming. If let’s say, Godzilla turned towards a large city, and was on his way, then yeah that would’ve been more climactic.

Also, I never really understood why Mothra really agrees to help the humans out in the end. At first it’s very clear Mothra is anti-human, and then she just sorta changes her mind. She actually just sortve shows up at the end to save the egg, not really help out, and then the larva get revenge. The whole narrative with the humans trying to convince Mothra to stop Godzilla is irrelevant sortve,
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Re: Unpopular Godzilla Opinions

Postby goji89 » Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:21 pm

KaijuCanuck wrote:[ Oh yeah, Americans. :P


Yes. Also it's 'Merikans you mooses anus.

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Re: Unpopular Godzilla Opinions

Postby Kaiju-King42 » Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:16 pm

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LSD Jellyfish wrote:Eh I was sortve being a troll, but not really. The original is probably one of the best in the franchise, but because of how many times it’s plot/elements has been recycled, I can’t help but feel like it’s retroactively lost a lot of its luster in my mind. That and I feel that the movies it’s sandwhiched between KKVG(and I’m gonna he explicitly mentioning the Japanese version) and GTTHM sortve are on equal footing always make me question why when people say it’s the best.


Also, the subplot with the kids is a pretty obvious non-starter there to give the protagonists something to do when, really, their role in the narrative is already finished.


I saw a review on this site somewhere recently (maybe it was even in this same thread? I don't remember) that out forth the interpretation that the scene with the children serves to bring Ichiro's character development full circle, and I have to admit it's opened my eyes regarding this scene.
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Re: Unpopular Godzilla Opinions

Postby Terasawa » Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:51 pm

LSD Jellyfish wrote:Also, I never really understood why Mothra really agrees to help the humans out in the end. At first it’s very clear Mothra is anti-human, and then she just sorta changes her mind. She actually just sortve shows up at the end to save the egg, not really help out, and then the larva get revenge. The whole narrative with the humans trying to convince Mothra to stop Godzilla is irrelevant sortve,


Wow, no, it's absolutely not at all irrelevant. Not even sorta. :P

The Shobijin try several times to get Mothra's egg returned. They try Kumayama and Torahata first, but those two only want to exploit them. Sakai, Junko, and Dr. Miura try to help them but despite a minor effort they're ineffective. Their cynicism is revealed and the Shobijin give up. (Whether this is frustration or just accepting the circumstances isn't clear at this point.) They return to their home saying that they appreciate the effort.

When the trio then appear on Infant Island to convince the islanders to allow Mothra to fight Godzilla the natives are obviously very much against this. So too are the Shobijin. (This is where it's implied that the Shobijin had given up earlier because they didn't think the Japanese were to be trusted.) They make the argument that, why should they help when the people of Japan were unwilling or unable to help them.

That's what the movie is trying to say: we shouldn't have to have a reason to help our brothers and sisters. We're all human. In a way the Shobijin (and by extension Mothra, although she's clearly not human) have no reason to help. But they ultimately do because it's the right thing. There's literally nothing anti-human about Mothra or the Shobijin here. So having the main characters go to Infant Island and literally beg for help is kinda the whole point of the movie besides having Godzilla and Mothra fight.

Also the Mothra larvae are not really getting revenge. They're just completing what their mother had come to Japan to do: stop Godzilla from destroying Japan.

Edit (again): Kaiju-King, I don't know if you were referring to my post in the talkback thread but that's basically been my interpretation of that final act drama. I'd never considered LSD Jellyfish's suggestion of having Godzilla turn toward a major population center before but I guess that would work too. What I don't like about that, however, is that the stakes are so high at that point that everyone basically has to act. (I mean, wouldn't you if you felt you had a chance to prevent your home town from being destroyed?) What I prefer about having them rescue a group of children is that they put themselves directly in harm's way to help only a few people rather than thousands. It reinforces that concept of helping others because it's the right thing to do, not because you'd benefit from it. Rescuing children is less exciting and likely more anticlimactic than saving Tokyo or something, but I think it was the right choice to complete the characters' arcs.
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Re: Unpopular Godzilla Opinions

Postby eabaker » Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:52 pm

Kaiju-King42 wrote:
eabaker wrote:
LSD Jellyfish wrote:Eh I was sortve being a troll, but not really. The original is probably one of the best in the franchise, but because of how many times it’s plot/elements has been recycled, I can’t help but feel like it’s retroactively lost a lot of its luster in my mind. That and I feel that the movies it’s sandwhiched between KKVG(and I’m gonna he explicitly mentioning the Japanese version) and GTTHM sortve are on equal footing always make me question why when people say it’s the best.


Also, the subplot with the kids is a pretty obvious non-starter there to give the protagonists something to do when, really, their role in the narrative is already finished.


I saw a review on this site somewhere recently (maybe it was even in this same thread? I don't remember) that out forth the interpretation that the scene with the children serves to bring Ichiro's character development full circle, and I have to admit it's opened my eyes regarding this scene.


Oh, that's interesting! I'll keep that in mind the next time I watch it.
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Re: Unpopular Godzilla Opinions

Postby Grievous » Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:51 pm

MechaGoji Bro7503 wrote:Vs Biollante

But vs. Biollante is one of the most creative & diverse entries in the entire franchise.

Its Top 10 Material for sure.
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Re: Unpopular Godzilla Opinions

Postby Dr. Professor » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:15 pm

I'll never understand the praise for Godzilla vs. Biollante. It's a mid-tier Godzilla film at best for me. There's so much poop going on in it, and yet it still finds a way to be boring.
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Re: Unpopular Godzilla Opinions

Postby Grievous » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:23 pm

Dr. Professor wrote:I'll never understand the praise for Godzilla vs. Biollante. It's a mid-tier Godzilla film at best for me. There's so much poop going on in it, and yet it still finds a way to be boring.

That's cool Doc...

I'll never understand those who don't praise vs. Biollante.

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Re: Unpopular Godzilla Opinions

Postby Dr. Professor » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:28 pm

Grievous wrote:
Dr. Professor wrote:I'll never understand the praise for Godzilla vs. Biollante. It's a mid-tier Godzilla film at best for me. There's so much poop going on in it, and yet it still finds a way to be boring.

That's cool Doc...

I'll never understand those who don't praise vs. Biollante.

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Re: Unpopular Godzilla Opinions

Postby Grievous » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:35 pm

Dr. Professor wrote:
Grievous wrote:
Dr. Professor wrote:I'll never understand the praise for Godzilla vs. Biollante. It's a mid-tier Godzilla film at best for me. There's so much poop going on in it, and yet it still finds a way to be boring.

That's cool Doc...

I'll never understand those who don't praise vs. Biollante.

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Hey...there is no need for that kind of language Doc.

Don't worry about it.

Maybe one day you will see the light & understand just
why vs. Biollante is so awesome.

But until then...I'll pray for you.

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Re: Unpopular Godzilla Opinions

Postby LSD Jellyfish » Thu Jan 17, 2019 4:28 am

Terasawa wrote:
LSD Jellyfish wrote:Also, I never really understood why Mothra really agrees to help the humans out in the end. At first it’s very clear Mothra is anti-human, and then she just sorta changes her mind. She actually just sortve shows up at the end to save the egg, not really help out, and then the larva get revenge. The whole narrative with the humans trying to convince Mothra to stop Godzilla is irrelevant sortve,


Wow, no, it's absolutely not at all irrelevant. Not even sorta. :P

The Shobijin try several times to get Mothra's egg returned. They try Kumayama and Torahata first, but those two only want to exploit them. Sakai, Junko, and Dr. Miura try to help them but despite a minor effort they're ineffective. Their cynicism is revealed and the Shobijin give up. (Whether this is frustration or just accepting the circumstances isn't clear at this point.) They return to their home saying that they appreciate the effort.

When the trio then appear on Infant Island to convince the islanders to allow Mothra to fight Godzilla the natives are obviously very much against this. So too are the Shobijin. (This is where it's implied that the Shobijin had given up earlier because they didn't think the Japanese were to be trusted.) They make the argument that, why should they help when the people of Japan were unwilling or unable to help them.

That's what the movie is trying to say: we shouldn't have to have a reason to help our brothers and sisters. We're all human. In a way the Shobijin (and by extension Mothra, although she's clearly not human) have no reason to help. But they ultimately do because it's the right thing. There's literally nothing anti-human about Mothra or the Shobijin here. So having the main characters go to Infant Island and literally beg for help is kinda the whole point of the movie besides having Godzilla and Mothra fight.

Also the Mothra larvae are not really getting revenge. They're just completing what their mother had come to Japan to do: stop Godzilla from destroying Japan.

Edit (again): Kaiju-King, I don't know if you were referring to my post in the talkback thread but that's basically been my interpretation of that final act drama. I'd never considered LSD Jellyfish's suggestion of having Godzilla turn toward a major population center before but I guess that would work too. What I don't like about that, however, is that the stakes are so high at that point that everyone basically has to act. (I mean, wouldn't you if you felt you had a chance to prevent your home town from being destroyed?) What I prefer about having them rescue a group of children is that they put themselves directly in harm's way to help only a few people rather than thousands. It reinforces that concept of helping others because it's the right thing to do, not because you'd benefit from it. Rescuing children is less exciting and likely more anticlimactic than saving Tokyo or something, but I think it was the right choice to complete the characters' arcs.



Hmm wow I never actually saw that as part of the film! Thanks for improving my appreciation of it!
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Re: Unpopular Godzilla Opinions

Postby Dr. Professor » Thu Jan 17, 2019 5:55 am

Grievous wrote:
Dr. Professor wrote:
Grievous wrote:That's cool Doc...

I'll never understand those who don't praise vs. Biollante.

:thumbsup:

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Hey...there is no need for that kind of language Doc.

Don't worry about it.

Maybe one day you will see the light & understand just
why vs. Biollante is so awesome.

But until then...I'll pray for you.

:thumbsup:

Thanks, I appreciate it. :lol: I really do wanna like that film more than I do, but I just can't get into it. :shrug:
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Re: Unpopular Godzilla Opinions

Postby Gojirawars 03 » Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:38 am

goji89 wrote:
KaijuCanuck wrote:[ Oh yeah, Americans. :P


Yes. Also it's 'Merikans you mooses anus.

Yeah. Besides, which country is being allowed to make a kaiju cinematic universe? That's right. Good old USA. So with all due respect, get yeeted on, my foreign friend.
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Re: Unpopular Godzilla Opinions

Postby Zarm » Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:54 am

You know, the nationalism jokes kinda feel like they're getting out of hand this week...
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Re: Unpopular Godzilla Opinions

Postby KaijuCanuck » Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:59 am

For the record, I have no desire to put down America - just goji89. :twisted:
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Re: Unpopular Godzilla Opinions

Postby goji89 » Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:01 am

KaijuCanuck wrote:For the record, I have no desire to put down America - just goji89. :twisted:


Yeah.....goji89 sucks that stupid 'Merican.........wait a second.....

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Re: Unpopular Godzilla Opinions

Postby Kaiju-King42 » Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:49 am

Zarm wrote:You know, the nationalism jokes kinda feel like they're getting out of hand this week...


Yeah I'm kinda feeling it too...

You restrain TK's resident USAsians, I'll restrain the resident Canadians. We'll force them to make up and build a united North American alliance!


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Godzilla21 wrote:What is up with the American trope of hide the monster?

Jaws happened


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Ryguy wrote:When the new director is announced, I guarantee this fanbase will be torn through the middle...

We're always split down the middle. TK is like a giant buttcrack.


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Re: Unpopular Godzilla Opinions

Postby Maritonic » Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:53 am

Zarm wrote:You know, the nationalism jokes kinda feel like they're getting out of hand this week...


I only joke about Canada and it's in good fun. Primarily with Canuck, who knows it's in good fun (I think?).
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Re: Unpopular Godzilla Opinions

Postby Zarm » Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:01 pm

Kaiju-King42 wrote:
Zarm wrote:You know, the nationalism jokes kinda feel like they're getting out of hand this week...


Yeah I'm kinda feeling it too...

You restrain TK's resident USAsians, I'll restrain the resident Canadians. We'll force them to make up and build a united North American alliance!


(On topic)
There aren't many kaiju I dislike, unlike most people here. Even the Giant Condor or Minya.


You have great faith in me, sir. If you can figure out how to restrain USAsians, please share the secret with me. I can't even control the three little ones I have at home... ;)

I agree with you. There are some kaiju I like less than others, but few I actively dislike.
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