Unpopular Godzilla Opinions

[Mr_Goji_and_Watch]

Destoroyah and Legion are both arthropods that are meant to be world ending threats. Both also involved human sized monsters that are meant to be more personal threats. Legion is just far better executed and plays with the ideas better.

[Spuro]

Destoroyah and Legion are both arthropods that are meant to be world ending threats. Both also involved human sized monsters that are meant to be more personal threats. Legion is just far better executed and plays with the ideas better.

Okay? Going by that logic, Xenomorphs and Starship Trooper bugs are also closely related to them.

[JAGzilla]

^ That's reaching. Among kaiju specifically, which are what this discussion is clearly supposed to be limited to, Destoroyah and Legion are some of if not the only ones that follow the criteria Mr_Goji listed. And their movies are very close chronologically, which has to be a factor. I agree that it makes some sense to compare them. I don't know which I'd say was better executed, though- I haven't seen either movie in a few years.

[KaijuCanuck]

I don’t know if this is unpopular, but I also don’t know where else to post this.

Not enough mammal kaiju. Like, there’s literally two in the whole series. A lot of arthropods, reptiles, and even a bird and a freaking octopus, but like two mammals. You’d think it would be obvious territory. There’s so many cool mammals where you could say “hey let’s make THAT giant!”

[Dr. Professor]

I don’t know if this is unpopular, but I also don’t know where else to post this.

Not enough mammal kaiju. Like, there’s literally two in the whole series. A lot of arthropods, reptiles, and even a bird and a freaking octopus, but like two mammals. You’d think it would be obvious territory. There’s so many cool mammals where you could say “hey let’s make THAT giant!”

I completely agree. Have you ever read Daikaiju Yuki? It's a fantastic book that just happens to have three mammal kaiju in it (a lion sort of thing, an elephant, and a bear).

[KaijuCanuck]

I don’t know if this is unpopular, but I also don’t know where else to post this.

Not enough mammal kaiju. Like, there’s literally two in the whole series. A lot of arthropods, reptiles, and even a bird and a freaking octopus, but like two mammals. You’d think it would be obvious territory. There’s so many cool mammals where you could say “hey let’s make THAT giant!”

I completely agree. Have you ever read Daikaiju Yuki? It's a fantastic book that just happens to have three mammal kaiju in it (a lion sort of thing, an elephant, and a bear).

I had not heard of it, but I looked it up and sounds really cool! I'll try and look out for it.

[Zarm]

I enjoyed City on the Edge of Battle many orders of magnitude more than Shin Godzilla.

Not even saying that to troll, or to imply that some areas (like the filmcraft) aren't still superior in Shin. But I found the characters more enjoyable, the character conflicts more interesting, the concepts thrown around more intriguing, and the politics between factions more engaging. (It goes without saying that I also found it a major improvement over Monster Planet).

[edgaguirus]

I don’t know if this is unpopular, but I also don’t know where else to post this.

Not enough mammal kaiju. Like, there’s literally two in the whole series. A lot of arthropods, reptiles, and even a bird and a freaking octopus, but like two mammals. You’d think it would be obvious territory. There’s so many cool mammals where you could say “hey let’s make THAT giant!”

I also agree. If you look at G:TS, they've got a mutant rhino and shrew that made good opponents for Godzilla. There are any number of mammals that would make good kaiju.

[HillyHulk]

I'm not sure how unpopular this is, but I don't really care for Mothra. I don't hate her by any means, but she cannot win a fight on her own and that's kind of annoying. I kind of like her (especially when she gets upgrades like in 1992 & GMK), just not as much as other kaiju.

[GigaBowserG]

I'm not sure how unpopular this is, but I don't really care for Mothra. I don't hate her by any means, but she cannot win a fight on her own and that's kind of annoying. I kind of like her (especially when she gets upgrades like in 1992 & GMK), just not as much as other kaiju.

Have you watched any of the "Rebirth of Mothra" movies? The Mothra featured in those is unquestionably stronger than pretty much any of the other ones, and has plenty of interesting transformations to boot. As much as I enjoy a more vanilla Mothra like the one from '61/'64, Mothra Leo's insane assortment of projectiles are just as fun to watch.

[HillyHulk]

I'm not sure how unpopular this is, but I don't really care for Mothra. I don't hate her by any means, but she cannot win a fight on her own and that's kind of annoying. I kind of like her (especially when she gets upgrades like in 1992 & GMK), just not as much as other kaiju.

Have you watched any of the "Rebirth of Mothra" movies? The Mothra featured in those is unquestionably stronger than pretty much any of the other ones, and has plenty of interesting transformations to boot. As much as I enjoy a more vanilla Mothra like the one from '61/'64, Mothra Leo's insane assortment of projectiles are just as fun to watch.

That's the thing: that isn't Mothra. Mothra Leo is a different kaiju and even he couldn't win his fights alone. By the way, yes I have.

[SoggyNoodles2016]

I'm not sure how unpopular this is, but I don't really care for Mothra. I don't hate her by any means, but she cannot win a fight on her own and that's kind of annoying. I kind of like her (especially when she gets upgrades like in 1992 & GMK), just not as much as other kaiju.

Have you watched any of the "Rebirth of Mothra" movies? The Mothra featured in those is unquestionably stronger than pretty much any of the other ones, and has plenty of interesting transformations to boot. As much as I enjoy a more vanilla Mothra like the one from '61/'64, Mothra Leo's insane assortment of projectiles are just as fun to watch.

That's the thing: that isn't Mothra. Mothra Leo is a different kaiju and even he couldn't win his fights alone. By the way, yes I have.

If it's actual Mothras you want, I can recommend the 61 orginal, Mothra vs Godzilla, and Tokyo S.O.S. Easily the best Mothras who are pretty strong too.

[Ivo-goji]

My appreciation for a kaiju has no connection to their record for winning fights, which is an incredibly shallow metric for valuing characters.

[BlacktimusPrime]

My appreciation for a kaiju has no connection to their record for winning fights, which is an incredibly shallow metric for valuing characters.

Agreed. Godzilla has lost fights and he's still my favorite kaiju.

(That loss to those mothra larva's dont count though stupidestest thing EVA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

[HillyHulk]

My appreciation for a kaiju has no connection to their record for winning fights, which is an incredibly shallow metric for valuing characters.

Frankly, I don't feel a kaiju is very credible if they're co-dependent and face it, Mothra is. Mothra Leo, while also needing help, at least does the fighting portion alone (best example being his fight with Cretaceous King Ghidorah). That's my point; not the winning (Gigan never won a fight and it's still cool in my book), it's whether or not they can handle their problems by themselves. Examples for my point being Godzilla vs Mothra, Battle For Earth, GMK, Tokyo SOS, and Final Wars: none of the wins she gets, she gets by herself (assuming she survives at all).

[eabaker]

^Very curious what you mean by "credible."

[HillyHulk]

^Very curious what you mean by "credible."

I mean they can handle things without needing help all the time. My example would be Biollante: when she fought Godzilla, not only did she fight him by herself, but she won (kind of since he didn't die). Mothra can't win against Godzilla alone, plain and simple. These kaiju are fighters, so I judge them as fighters and Mothra is not a fair fighter.

[Ivo-goji]

Frankly, I don't feel a kaiju is very credible if they're co-dependent

And I think that's completely shallow minded.

[Dr. Professor]

Examples for my point being Godzilla vs Mothra, Battle For Earth, GMK, Tokyo SOS, and Final Wars: none of the wins she gets, she gets by herself (assuming she survives at all).

Mothra beats Gigan with no help in Final Wars.

[HillyHulk]

Examples for my point being Godzilla vs Mothra, Battle For Earth, GMK, Tokyo SOS, and Final Wars: none of the wins she gets, she gets by herself (assuming she survives at all).

Mothra beats Gigan with no help in Final Wars.

Technically, yes she did. Gigan had her dead to rights, but it wound up changing targets to Godzilla. Therefore, although that's one of the best fights on her belt mind, she did have help just like every other fight she has. Now, can we all just agree to disagree & get off my back? Also, let me elaborate on the "co-dependent" thing. When I said that, I mean she's supposed to be a stand alone kaiju with support (she is a goddess).
Explain this to me: how is it that this "goddess" can't do anything herself? With other kaiju that aren't written to be independent (like the M.U.T.O for example: no they're not independent, but that's the idea) or part of a team already (no, you're not entirely independent, that's the idea of a team, helping each other), that's acceptable. Mothra has neither excuse: if she really is some kind of goddess, she's not a very good one if she can't fight her own battles. Before you say anything, no that isn't what I said before; I wasn't thinking about elaborating then.