Huh. No wonder I didn't know, I never read past issue one of that awful comic.Pkmatrix wrote:Nope, it was Kingdom of Monsters. Godzilla kills the kids in Kingdom of Monsters #1, and their father attempts to kill Godzilla with a suicide bomb (with predictable results) in Kingdom of Monsters #2. (Well, they're at the very least reusing the kamikaze idea from the first DH comic.)UltramanGoji wrote:The dying kids were from Kingdom of Monsters, but the kamikaze father was from the very first Dark Horse comic.Zarm wrote: And, from the comics, that horrific subplot about the dying kids and the father's failed suicide bombing against Godzilla from... what, kingdom of the Monsters, I think? Gah.
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Oh, good. So glad to see that was used twice.
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For me, it has to be two scenes from the original film, immediately after Godzilla razes Tokyo.
Firstly, the two F86F Sabres come in to fight Godzilla. Two of Japan's most advanced conventional warplanes fly above the ruined city, in the hopes that they might force him back after all other attempts have failed... and he barely even reacts to their weaponry, before silently entering the Bay. It goes to show just how hopeless the situation is.
And then, there's the long shot from ground level over the burning city, without anything even recognisable as a building left standing. Even the most short sighted viewer can tell at this point what the film is commenting on.
Firstly, the two F86F Sabres come in to fight Godzilla. Two of Japan's most advanced conventional warplanes fly above the ruined city, in the hopes that they might force him back after all other attempts have failed... and he barely even reacts to their weaponry, before silently entering the Bay. It goes to show just how hopeless the situation is.
And then, there's the long shot from ground level over the burning city, without anything even recognisable as a building left standing. Even the most short sighted viewer can tell at this point what the film is commenting on.
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I though the darkest scene was when Mechagodzilla 2 blew up Goji's second brain and blood splattered across the screen, that moment really stood out to me.
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In the Heisei era, nothing tops Destoroyah's response to murdering Junior and then dragging Godzilla away from his body. After letting Godzilla fall to the ground a few times, Destoroyah actually unleashes a malevolent laugh. He revels in the grief and horror displayed by his adversary, and if that isn't Destoroyah's character defining moment, I don't know what is - He's not just a mindless killing machine; he's cruel, calculating and extremely intelligent, and uses this to its full destructive potential.
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Oooh that reminds me how Kingdom of Monsters had some potentially great ideas. Godzilla rising from the sand and eating two kids is great imagery but everything building to that wasn't good enough. Plus the hopeless kamikaze dad was nice but god so many things about that comic are terrible.
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Shin Godzilla
-The atomic ray scene
-Second form making landfall
-Evolution scene
-Godzilla entering Tokyo at night
The Return of Godzilla
-Shockirus attacks
-Godzilla's big reveal
-Godzilla entering and attacking the city
-Nuclear bomb being set off in the atmosphere and restoring Godzilla
-The ending scene
Godzilla Raids Again
-Godzilla just straight up ripping Anguirus's neck open, he tries to run away but Godzilla bites him again and finally kills him. Then sets his corpse on fire.
Just off the top of my head.
-The atomic ray scene
-Second form making landfall
-Evolution scene
-Godzilla entering Tokyo at night
The Return of Godzilla
-Shockirus attacks
-Godzilla's big reveal
-Godzilla entering and attacking the city
-Nuclear bomb being set off in the atmosphere and restoring Godzilla
-The ending scene
Godzilla Raids Again
-Godzilla just straight up ripping Anguirus's neck open, he tries to run away but Godzilla bites him again and finally kills him. Then sets his corpse on fire.
Just off the top of my head.
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There's also everything to do with Hedorah in his debut film, especially when he melts all those people with his Sulphuric Acid spray.
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Very powerful scene. I get really choked up watching the film when that happens.Bigdog wrote:The scene in Gojira, where as Godzilla marches onward through the city, a woman is holding her daughter up against a wall. They are desperate, but the mother accepts her fate and tries to keep her daughter calmed down. She then says to her, "We'll be with your father soon." Indicating he either died in World War II or was one of the fishermen that died on one of the Marus.
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Serizawas death is very dark. I feel that he not only kills himself because of his worries of people forcing him to divulge information but I feel he does it because he realizes that Emiko has chosen Ogata and he knows she would never be truly happy married to him. Just listen to his final words, telling Ogata to take care of Emiko. Very tragic, dark love story in Gojira. The end always makes me tear up. Not only does Serizawa die alone, but Gojira does too. There are many parallels between the character of Gojira and Serizawa, really. They are both tragic, dark characters.
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If you seen my synopsis for a rewrite of the 1998 remake, I homaged this scene alongside realistically depicting the events of a giant monster coming to port, and the wholesale destruction that does ensue because I felt that had these things were done in the remake, it would've been far better received.BooLugosi wrote:Very powerful scene. I get really choked up watching the film when that happens.Bigdog wrote:The scene in Gojira, where as Godzilla marches onward through the city, a woman is holding her daughter up against a wall. They are desperate, but the mother accepts her fate and tries to keep her daughter calmed down. She then says to her, "We'll be with your father soon." Indicating he either died in World War II or was one of the fishermen that died on one of the Marus.
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Serizawas death is very dark. I feel that he not only kills himself because of his worries of people forcing him to divulge information but I feel he does it because he realizes that Emiko has chosen Ogata and he knows she would never be truly happy married to him. Just listen to his final words, telling Ogata to take care of Emiko. Very tragic, dark love story in Gojira. The end always makes me tear up. Not only does Serizawa die alone, but Gojira does too. There are many parallels between the character of Gojira and Serizawa, really. They are both tragic, dark characters.
The best part of Godzilla 1954 is how it somberly depicts the trauma and sadness after the attack. You get to see the actual damage done directly to the people and the city, but more is to the citizens that suffer from this attack. Not even 1984, GMK, and Shin Godzilla attempts this sort of scene because Godzilla movies after that have made the consequences of the destruction an abstract idea if not at all. And that alone made the original film and King of the Monsters actually resonate with viewers. It hauntingly depicted the tragedy of the populace who suffered because the Japanese Imperial military indoctrinated their own people as living shields to keep the war going as bloody as possible to the last person. And that lays the dual-sided tragedy of Godzilla. It was better to deal with Godzilla than to fight for much longer and have even millions more die from the devastation of war on both sides.
I noticed sometime back that there's a story element of the clash between the past, which is symbolized by Dr. Yamane, Godzilla and Serizawa, versus the future of Japan, which is symbolized by Ogata, Emiko and Shinkichi Yamane. By the end of the first two movies, all of the former are dead tied to Godzilla in some manner, and so are the older social norms such as arranged marriages, dying for honor, and generally the older way to do things. It's tragic how it happens, but it speaks to how much Japan changed from the dropping of those bombs.
Or that is how I interpret it. I see a similar anti-Imperial motif in Daimajin, though it's under the surface. The people are at the mercy of those who have the bigger and better weapons, and Daimajin is the weapon that attacks the oppressors to help free the people. I was sorely disappointed we didn't see a scene in Shin Godzilla where we see people suffering at a hospital, streets or whatever else, because that's far less cheap than randomly showing images of 1945's Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings, or the cheap mushroom cloud breath in GMK. It's edgy, but it's not quite mature or adding weight to the tragedy, when you don't actually see it.
This is why I feel many Godzilla movies tend to fail. The moment when Godzilla lost the human element and pushed it to the sidelines is the moment when Godzilla lost its soul. 2014 almost got it down pat, but the MUTO fed off the radiation and Brody military guy was duller than Ford Brody. And even then, it won't happen the next time. I can see 2018 being darker given that radiation will seriously affect the people now. And hopefully, they show an abject failure so this could be like the Empire Strikes Back. The world's tipped towards hell,
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Damn. I can't think of a reply tbh. You pretty much summarized my mindset perfectly and gave me all new ideas about the original film too. I can say this though, your ideas for what the 98 film should have been are perfect.Bigdog wrote:If you seen my synopsis for a rewrite of the 1998 remake, I homaged this scene alongside realistically depicting the events of a giant monster coming to port, and the wholesale destruction that does ensue because I felt that had these things were done in the remake, it would've been far better received.BooLugosi wrote:Very powerful scene. I get really choked up watching the film when that happens.Bigdog wrote:The scene in Gojira, where as Godzilla marches onward through the city, a woman is holding her daughter up against a wall. They are desperate, but the mother accepts her fate and tries to keep her daughter calmed down. She then says to her, "We'll be with your father soon." Indicating he either died in World War II or was one of the fishermen that died on one of the Marus.
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Serizawas death is very dark. I feel that he not only kills himself because of his worries of people forcing him to divulge information but I feel he does it because he realizes that Emiko has chosen Ogata and he knows she would never be truly happy married to him. Just listen to his final words, telling Ogata to take care of Emiko. Very tragic, dark love story in Gojira. The end always makes me tear up. Not only does Serizawa die alone, but Gojira does too. There are many parallels between the character of Gojira and Serizawa, really. They are both tragic, dark characters.
The best part of Godzilla 1954 is how it somberly depicts the trauma and sadness after the attack. You get to see the actual damage done directly to the people and the city, but more is to the citizens that suffer from this attack. Not even 1984, GMK, and Shin Godzilla attempts this sort of scene because Godzilla movies after that have made the consequences of the destruction an abstract idea if not at all. And that alone made the original film and King of the Monsters actually resonate with viewers. It hauntingly depicted the tragedy of the populace who suffered because the Japanese Imperial military indoctrinated their own people as living shields to keep the war going as bloody as possible to the last person. And that lays the dual-sided tragedy of Godzilla. It was better to deal with Godzilla than to fight for much longer and have even millions more die from the devastation of war on both sides.
I noticed sometime back that there's a story element of the clash between the past, which is symbolized by Dr. Yamane, Godzilla and Serizawa, versus the future of Japan, which is symbolized by Ogata, Emiko and Shinkichi Yamane. By the end of the first two movies, all of the former are dead tied to Godzilla in some manner, and so are the older social norms such as arranged marriages, dying for honor, and generally the older way to do things. It's tragic how it happens, but it speaks to how much Japan changed from the dropping of those bombs.
Or that is how I interpret it. I see a similar anti-Imperial motif in Daimajin, though it's under the surface. The people are at the mercy of those who have the bigger and better weapons, and Daimajin is the weapon that attacks the oppressors to help free the people. I was sorely disappointed we didn't see a scene in Shin Godzilla where we see people suffering at a hospital, streets or whatever else, because that's far less cheap than randomly showing images of 1945's Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings, or the cheap mushroom cloud breath in GMK. It's edgy, but it's not quite mature or adding weight to the tragedy, when you don't actually see it.
This is why I feel many Godzilla movies tend to fail. The moment when Godzilla lost the human element and pushed it to the sidelines is the moment when Godzilla lost its soul. 2014 almost got it down pat, but the MUTO fed off the radiation and Brody military guy was duller than Ford Brody. And even then, it won't happen the next time. I can see 2018 being darker given that radiation will seriously affect the people now. And hopefully, they show an abject failure so this could be like the Empire Strikes Back. The world's tipped towards hell,
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Dang. I'm surprised to say it, but... the ending of All Monsters Attack. Emotionally, psychologically, and financially, that family is screwed.
Ichiro has come into his own as a violent, selfish little brat, his dad is having to deal with the aftermath (promising some of that money they were trying to work hard to save) to mollify the guy that Ichiro cruelly pranked even when he knew it was wrong earlier in the movie, his mother (as evidenced by her breakdown) is traumatized and terrified (which, honestly, the dad and Ichiro should be, too), and has cut down even further on the family's revenue prospects in order to try and stay with the child she is now, realistically, terrified could be horribly harmed by anything, anytime (as a parent, that worry is bad enough WITHOUT having your kid kidnapped), further decreasing the chances of saving up enough to move out of this industrial-area slum; the emotional and psychological repercussions of everything are just starting to be felt, the family's been set back in nearly every way, Ichiro is smug in his newfound confidence and becoming a total thug, a bully himself (note how he even abandons his friend to the bullies he feared so he can pursue his 'fun' with the prank)... and the shoulder-shrugging, devil-may-care final shots seems to communicate the unconcerned message 'Eh, this is just the way life is. Nothing's going to change; this is just the natural place in life for these people.'
It may not trump 'We'll see your father soon' or Serizawa's suicide... but existentially, it's *really* flipping dark; right up there with the Xillien's suicide in Monster Zero, in Destroyah's cruelty, if only for its subtle implication that this living nightmare is natural and will be the only thing this shocked, slowly-unraveling family will ever know despite their desperate attempts to claw their way out of their situation.
Ichiro has come into his own as a violent, selfish little brat, his dad is having to deal with the aftermath (promising some of that money they were trying to work hard to save) to mollify the guy that Ichiro cruelly pranked even when he knew it was wrong earlier in the movie, his mother (as evidenced by her breakdown) is traumatized and terrified (which, honestly, the dad and Ichiro should be, too), and has cut down even further on the family's revenue prospects in order to try and stay with the child she is now, realistically, terrified could be horribly harmed by anything, anytime (as a parent, that worry is bad enough WITHOUT having your kid kidnapped), further decreasing the chances of saving up enough to move out of this industrial-area slum; the emotional and psychological repercussions of everything are just starting to be felt, the family's been set back in nearly every way, Ichiro is smug in his newfound confidence and becoming a total thug, a bully himself (note how he even abandons his friend to the bullies he feared so he can pursue his 'fun' with the prank)... and the shoulder-shrugging, devil-may-care final shots seems to communicate the unconcerned message 'Eh, this is just the way life is. Nothing's going to change; this is just the natural place in life for these people.'
It may not trump 'We'll see your father soon' or Serizawa's suicide... but existentially, it's *really* flipping dark; right up there with the Xillien's suicide in Monster Zero, in Destroyah's cruelty, if only for its subtle implication that this living nightmare is natural and will be the only thing this shocked, slowly-unraveling family will ever know despite their desperate attempts to claw their way out of their situation.
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Is that the Japanese version? Because the English version has a totally different outlook on things.Zarm wrote:Dang. I'm surprised to say it, but... the ending of Godzilla's Revenge. Emotionally, psychologically, and financially, that family is screwed.
Ichiro has come into his own as a violent, selfish little brat, his dad is having to deal with the aftermath (promising some of that money they were trying to work hard to save) to mollify the guy that Ichiro cruelly pranked even when he knew it was wrong earlier in the movie, his mother (as evidenced by her breakdown) is traumatized and terrified (which, honestly, the dad and Ichiro should be, too), and has cut down even further on the family's revenue prospects in order to try and stay with the child she is now, realistically, terrified could be horribly harmed by anything, anytime (as a parent, that worry is bad enough WITHOUT having your kid kidnapped), further decreasing the chances of saving up enough to move out of this industrial-area slum; the emotional and psychological repercussions of everything are just starting to be felt, the family's been set back in nearly every way, Ichiro is smug in his newfound confidence and becoming a total thug, a bully himself (note how he even abandons his friend to the bullies he feared so he can pursue his 'fun' with the prank)... and the shoulder-shrugging, devil-may-care final shots seems to communicate the unconcerned message 'Eh, this is just the way life is. Nothing's going to change; this is just the natural place in life for these people.'
It may not trump 'We'll see your father soon' or Serizawa's suicide... but existentially, it's *really* flipping dark; right up there with the Xillien's suicide in Monster Zero, in Destroyah's cruelty, if only for its subtle implication that this living nightmare is natural and will be the only thing this shocked, slowly-unraveling family will ever know despite their desperate attempts to claw their way out of their situation.
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Yes, the Japanese version (sorry, fixed the post to the correct title). I mean, a lot of that is subtext and a reading of the implications of casual statements rather than outright statements...Bigdog wrote: Is that the Japanese version? Because the English version has a totally different outlook on things.
How is the dub different? It's been a while...
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The original 2012 Comic Con Godzilla trailer itself is easily the most disturbing and darkest scene in the franchise by far.
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Serizawa setting fire to his studies on Micro-Oxygen in the original film. The whole scene practically bleeds all manner of emotions, but there's this sense of finality which hasn't quite been replicated elsewhere in the series. Knowing that he'll die, but that his invention will come under great scrutiny, Serizawa destroys all mention of the device, so that no one will ever be able to make the same mistakes the people behind the nuclear testing did, and that no one can use this weapon of last resort to commit horrific atrocities against humankind.
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The montage of Hedorah killing everyone by gassing them and turning them into skeletons.
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...Zarm wrote:Dang. I'm surprised to say it, but... the ending of All Monsters Attack. Emotionally, psychologically, and financially, that family is screwed.
Ichiro has come into his own as a violent, selfish little brat, his dad is having to deal with the aftermath (promising some of that money they were trying to work hard to save) to mollify the guy that Ichiro cruelly pranked even when he knew it was wrong earlier in the movie, his mother (as evidenced by her breakdown) is traumatized and terrified (which, honestly, the dad and Ichiro should be, too), and has cut down even further on the family's revenue prospects in order to try and stay with the child she is now, realistically, terrified could be horribly harmed by anything, anytime (as a parent, that worry is bad enough WITHOUT having your kid kidnapped), further decreasing the chances of saving up enough to move out of this industrial-area slum; the emotional and psychological repercussions of everything are just starting to be felt, the family's been set back in nearly every way, Ichiro is smug in his newfound confidence and becoming a total thug, a bully himself (note how he even abandons his friend to the bullies he feared so he can pursue his 'fun' with the prank)... and the shoulder-shrugging, devil-may-care final shots seems to communicate the unconcerned message 'Eh, this is just the way life is. Nothing's going to change; this is just the natural place in life for these people.'
It may not trump 'We'll see your father soon' or Serizawa's suicide... but existentially, it's *really* flipping dark; right up there with the Xillien's suicide in Monster Zero, in Destroyah's cruelty, if only for its subtle implication that this living nightmare is natural and will be the only thing this shocked, slowly-unraveling family will ever know despite their desperate attempts to claw their way out of their situation.
That's depressing and it makes total sense too. That film has so much fucked up subtext in it.
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Seriously though.
The original 2012 Teaser is legitimately disturbing it truly is.
https://vimeo.com/146985673
The original 2012 Teaser is legitimately disturbing it truly is.
https://vimeo.com/146985673
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