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Re: The Godzilla Cringe Thread

Postby UltramanGoji » Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:08 pm

I'm going to school for Film Studies so I genuinely try to apply some of the stuff I've learned to my discussions about films. I'm absolutely nowhere near an expert on film critique but I think it's important to discuss why we like and dislike certain films and the aspects of them that we find appealing or unappealing.

Of course, there's also just some films where I don't apply any of that stuff and just enjoy it at face value. A number of movies I'd put on my "favorites" list are like that, 9, Chappie, etc. are all films that don't hold up when looked at purely through a critical eye. But that's okay. A lot of my favorites I admire purely for creative decisions made by the crew behind them.

It's important to understand that not everyone will want to look at things through the eyes of a Roger Ebert and it's also equally as important to not chastise people who just want to kick back and relax. Film criticism is important but it shouldn't be a necessity when discussing movies.
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Re: The Godzilla Cringe Thread

Postby goji89 » Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:11 pm

UltramanGoji wrote:I'm going to school for Film Studies so I genuinely try to apply some of the stuff I've learned to my discussions about films. I'm absolutely nowhere near an expert on film critique but I think it's important to discuss why we like and dislike certain films and the aspects of them that we find appealing or unappealing.

Of course, there's also just some films where I don't apply any of that stuff and just enjoy it at face value. A number of movies I'd put on my "favorites" list are like that, 9, Chappie, etc. are all films that don't hold up when looked at purely through a critical eye. But that's okay. A lot of my favorites I admire purely for creative decisions made by the crew behind them.

It's important to understand that not everyone will want to look at things through the eyes of a Roger Ebert and it's also equally as important to not chastise people who just want to kick back and relax. Film criticism is important but it shouldn't be a necessity when discussing movies.


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Re: The Godzilla Cringe Thread

Postby eabaker » Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:17 pm

UltramanGoji wrote:I'm going to school for Film Studies so I genuinely try to apply some of the stuff I've learned to my discussions about films. I'm absolutely nowhere near an expert on film critique but I think it's important to discuss why we like and dislike certain films and the aspects of them that we find appealing or unappealing.

Of course, there's also just some films where I don't apply any of that stuff and just enjoy it at face value. A number of movies I'd put on my "favorites" list are like that, 9, Chappie, etc. are all films that don't hold up when looked at purely through a critical eye. But that's okay. A lot of my favorites I admire purely for creative decisions made by the crew behind them.

It's important to understand that not everyone will want to look at things through the eyes of a Roger Ebert and it's also equally as important to not chastise people who just want to kick back and relax. Film criticism is important but it shouldn't be a necessity when discussing movies.


There's this assumption a lot of people make that, if you can analyze why a movie does or doesn't work for you, that you must therefore have watched it with an obsessively critical eye and decided consciously whether or not you were going to like it. It's weird.

I an most of my close friends have film educations, or have just spent a ton of time talking about and reading about movies outside of that environment, and we spend a lot of time (and take a lot of pleasure) in dissecting what works for us and what doesn't. But that part comes after the initial, emotional response. We don't decide what to like based on analysis, we analyze to get a sense of why we did or did not respond to a movie. The initial process is no different from anybody else's.
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Re: The Godzilla Cringe Thread

Postby Jeff-Goldblum2 » Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:56 am

I dislike youtube videos with montages of Godzilla clips that set the video to some metal song without context.

The film scores in place always capture more emotion and atmosphere of the scene.
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Re: The Godzilla Cringe Thread

Postby Living Corpse » Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:29 am

Jeff-Goldblum2 wrote:I dislike youtube videos with montages of Godzilla clips that set the video to some metal song without context.

The film scores in place always capture more emotion and atmosphere of the scene.


I'm fine with that. What I never got was putting Godzilla scenes to Bring Me to Life by Evanescence. :?
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Re: The Godzilla Cringe Thread

Postby _JNavs_ » Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:28 am

Kaiju AMVs have been dope since always.. it's like hype videos, just like anime AMVs. Not everything needs emotional piano themes, save that for the films.
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Postby MechaGoji Bro7503 » Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:08 am

Jeff-Goldblum2 wrote:I dislike youtube videos with montages of Godzilla clips that set the video to some metal song without context.

The film scores in place always capture more emotion and atmosphere of the scene.

I concur. Rock songs just don't seem very "Godzilla-like", Godzilla needs that oomph.
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Re: The Godzilla Cringe Thread

Postby Godzillian » Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:20 am

Living Corpse wrote:
Jeff-Goldblum2 wrote:I dislike youtube videos with montages of Godzilla clips that set the video to some metal song without context.

The film scores in place always capture more emotion and atmosphere of the scene.


I'm fine with that. What I never got was putting Godzilla scenes to Bring Me to Life by Evanescence. :?

Can say the same about Crawling and Breaking the Habit
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Re: The Godzilla Cringe Thread

Postby edgaguirus » Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:47 am

I did see a video with scenes of G3 that used Bring Me To Life. I feel that song does in a way fit the film.
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Re: The Godzilla Cringe Thread

Postby Mr_Goji_and_Watch » Mon Mar 25, 2019 8:33 am

Any time someone mentions "omg why doesn't Godzilla move he just stands there" as some sort of criticism is pretty bad, especially when it's paired with other "the human talky scenes ruin Shin/Anime" complaints. Does movement correlate to how good something is? People would LOVE television toku if that was the case.
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So dynamic and lifelike.... take notes Anno and Polygon!
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Re: The Godzilla Cringe Thread

Postby _JNavs_ » Mon Mar 25, 2019 8:40 am

Mr_Goji_and_Watch wrote:Any time someone mentions "omg why doesn't Godzilla move he just stands there" as some sort of criticism is pretty bad, especially when it's paired with other "the human talky scenes ruin Shin/Anime" complaints. Does movement correlate to how good something is? People would LOVE television toku if that was the case.
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I think personally I'd rather have a Godzilla that moves similar to an animal that has been freshly nuked to shiit.

So, animalistic movements, injured, bring back the Keloid scarring, maybe jerky motions due to some spots on him hurting more than others, something similar to spastic ticks, he may seem like he's malevolent, but he's just doing what any injured animal would do, attacking the first thing it sees. I know it kinda takes the God part away which I'm not a fan of, but it could just be a starting point for his character.
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Re: The Godzilla Cringe Thread

Postby G2000 » Mon Mar 25, 2019 9:18 am

Mr_Goji_and_Watch wrote:Any time someone mentions "omg why doesn't Godzilla move he just stands there" as some sort of criticism is pretty bad, especially when it's paired with other "the human talky scenes ruin Shin/Anime" complaints. Does movement correlate to how good something is? People would LOVE television toku if that was the case.
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I think it's valid to say that with the first fully-animated Godzilla film - a medium not held back by the constraints of a live-action production, where you could have the monsters do whatever you want them to do - that the filmmakers chose to make their Godzilla one of the slowest and least mobile yet rather than take full advantage of the medium is definitely disappointing. I get what they were going for - Godzilla as a physical god, a living mountain capable of threatening a space-faring civilizaton - and Godzilla's depiction definitely fits that - but even so I can understand where people are coming from. To say that alone completely ruins the anime trilogy, yeah, that's way too simplistic a criticism.
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Re: The Godzilla Cringe Thread

Postby Smuggers » Mon Mar 25, 2019 10:29 am

G2000 wrote:To say that alone completely ruins the anime trilogy, yeah, that's way too simplistic a criticism.

That's part and parcel for this fandom, really. I've seen so many people that movies were bad because of the most minor things. Most well known probably being "Mothra vs Godzilla bad because he loses 2 baby worms WTF".
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Re: The Godzilla Cringe Thread

Postby Dr. Professor » Mon Mar 25, 2019 4:56 pm

_JNavs_ wrote:I think personally I'd rather have a Godzilla that moves similar to an animal that has been freshly nuked to shiit.

That's called a dead animal, dude.
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Re: The Godzilla Cringe Thread

Postby goji89 » Mon Mar 25, 2019 7:03 pm

_JNavs_ wrote: I think personally I'd rather have a Godzilla that moves similar to an animal that has been freshly nuked to shiit.


Wait? Sooooo........ash particles floating in the fallout winds?

Also.......how does a nuked animal move?
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Re: The Godzilla Cringe Thread

Postby KingKong2005 » Mon Mar 25, 2019 7:38 pm

_JNavs_ wrote:
Mr_Goji_and_Watch wrote:Any time someone mentions "omg why doesn't Godzilla move he just stands there" as some sort of criticism is pretty bad, especially when it's paired with other "the human talky scenes ruin Shin/Anime" complaints. Does movement correlate to how good something is? People would LOVE television toku if that was the case.
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I think personally I'd rather have a Godzilla that moves similar to an animal that has been freshly nuked to shiit.

So, animalistic movements, injured, bring back the Keloid scarring, maybe jerky motions due to some spots on him hurting more than others, something similar to spastic ticks, he may seem like he's malevolent, but he's just doing what any injured animal would do, attacking the first thing it sees. I know it kinda takes the God part away which I'm not a fan of, but it could just be a starting point for his character.

Exactly dude! And he heals overtime, that's what I thought Shin was gonna be. Not something that's already an abomination that doesn't progressively heal.
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Re: The Godzilla Cringe Thread

Postby edgaguirus » Tue Mar 26, 2019 12:07 pm

How Godzilla moves is more a reflection of the film he's in. Gojira had a slow and ponderous kaiju, but the intention for the film was to show a massive and powerful creature. The later Showa films, Godzilla moves quickly and more like a human. This is largely because of the physical combat required in the films.
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Re: The Godzilla Cringe Thread

Postby KingKong2005 » Tue Mar 26, 2019 3:22 pm

edgaguirus wrote:How Godzilla moves is more a reflection of the film he's in. Gojira had a slow and ponderous kaiju, but the intention for the film was to show a massive and powerful creature. The later Showa films, Godzilla moves quickly and more like a human. This is largely because of the physical combat required in the films.

But then it gets to the point where he's just too slow. And too big.
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Re: The Godzilla Cringe Thread

Postby _JNavs_ » Tue Mar 26, 2019 3:44 pm

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edgaguirus wrote:How Godzilla moves is more a reflection of the film he's in. Gojira had a slow and ponderous kaiju, but the intention for the film was to show a massive and powerful creature. The later Showa films, Godzilla moves quickly and more like a human. This is largely because of the physical combat required in the films.

But then it gets to the point where he's just too slow. And too big.

I'd like to see him react the way a burned dinosaur would react, horrifying, blood curdling roars almost as if he's screaming in pain, snapping at everything in sight, his skin almost boiling from all the burns on his body as if the radioactivity is still affecting him (remember he was basically ground zero for the bomb), spikes abnormally sticking out of his spine looking like sharp Christmas tree shaped dorsal bones (not fins), when he coughs he accidentally unleashes a blue radioactive flame from his mouth etc
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Re: The Godzilla Cringe Thread

Postby G2000 » Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:19 pm

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