The Godzilla Cringe Thread

[KingKong2005]

It took me time to think, but I finally figure out why they weren't executed well.

Because they weren't monsters.

Jackson made them seem like monsters with his cinematography but they never actually did anything inhuman. They didn't have some bizzare inhuman movement or behaviors, they acted like people. Creepy people from a native culture but still people. That's why it doesn't work. Because the film treats them as inhuman monsters, when the only evidence is acting creepy and doing a ritual of their culture.

I probably skreeonked up the explanation but that's how I feel.

They were monsters. They clubbed a man's head in on sight and cheered afterwards, were going to do the same with Carl, taken Ann and were gonna do god knows what with her, speared Mike, and beat both Jack and Bruce as well as the others. The film treats them properly, so sorry bro I don't really see your point?

Times were different

It was 13 skreeonking YEARS AGO unless you're talking about the orginal, but I'm pretty sure you weren't. Clarify if I'm wrong

He probably meant the original, but even then in 2005 it was okay since the natives were meant to be as portrayed. There was nothing wrong or racist with it, people are just looking too much into it or are trying to grasp at straws here.
I'm too lazy to quote all your other stuff, but for one thing in this case it is good to embrace stereotypes (which by the way exist for a reason). But really there is no embracing of stereotypes here, just what the story required. You say it's more badass to have an advanced civil people, and guess what!? There were, they have just been wiped out and replaced by these more savage and tragic people. The advanced civilization that existed has gigantic ruins left all over the island, and seeing these as ruins is much more badass in my opinion honestly. You say everyone is entitled to their own opinions, which is completely fine friend, but you and dr professors claims on the natives being portrayed in blackface is wrong just does not make sense. It was a different time for one thing, and there were limitations in finding the right people to fit the role (black people). The 2005 topic was derailed I totally forgot what you were arguing, but yeah there's no racism in those films.

[HeiseiGodzilla117]

The Skull Island natives are a fictional race/culture. They can be portrayed as brutal because, quite frankly, when the world is a harsh place it tends to create harsh people. I don't have even the slightest problem with their portrayal. There may be some iffy stuff in the 33 movie. I haven't watched it in a while. But 2005 did nothing questionable in that regard.

[eabaker]

There's a big difference between the internal logic of a narractive and the more abstract (but none the less real) implications of the presentation/representation of race in cultural production.

However, I also don't think that a Godzilla message board is a space in which a sufficiently nuanced conversation about the topic is likely to take place, so even before I hit "submit" party of me is regretting the decision to comment on the issue at all.

[KingKong2005]

There's a big difference between the internal logic of a narractive and the more abstract (but none the less real) implications of the presentation/representation of race in cultural production.

However, I also don't think that a Godzilla message board is a space in which a sufficiently nuanced conversation about the topic is likely to take place, so even before I hit "submit" party of me is regretting the decision to comment on the issue at all.

Not much of an issue. It's like people who were saying Godzilla Fans are racist because they like seeing Japan get destroyed or some shit, just people looking into it too much trying to find an issue with nothing

[Mechagigan]

Probably best we move on from the topic altogether...

Anyway, how 'bout them Kaiju? I cringed when Kamata-Kun dabbed in Shin Godzilla.

[eabaker]

There's a big difference between the internal logic of a narractive and the more abstract (but none the less real) implications of the presentation/representation of race in cultural production.

However, I also don't think that a Godzilla message board is a space in which a sufficiently nuanced conversation about the topic is likely to take place, so even before I hit "submit" party of me is regretting the decision to comment on the issue at all.

Not much of an issue. It's like people who were saying Godzilla Fans are racist because they like seeing Japan get destroyed or some shit, just people looking into it too much trying to find an issue with nothing

I'm gonna go out on a limb and theorize that you have't studied much film theory. Whether viewed through the lenses of cultural discourse, psychoanalysis, or reader-response theory (or, obviously, a variable recipe of all three, which is more or less what I subscribe to), the meaning-making/interpretive process not only makes room for, but often fundamentally depends on considering the multiple implications that can be read into a work based not just on plot, but on imagery, tone, and the context of the production of the work.

That "Godzilla fans are racist" thing was totally inconsistent with the meaning and the context of the works being discussed. In fact, it wasn't even discussing the work; it was simply throwing unfounded accusations at a portion of the audience. Criticisms of King Kong as offering potentially racist readings - based specifically on the visual, tonal and stylistic presentation of characters of color, in a narrative that offers limited alternative depictions, and in the context of a broader culture that has long associated certain racial markers with savagery and violence - are not the same thing at all.

[HeiseiGodzilla117]

Anyway, how 'bout them Kaiju? I cringed when Kamata-Kun dabbed in Shin Godzilla.

But that's my favorite part. It's right before he topples that building. I could really feel that family's dread as they watched a gigantic turkey fetus monster dab before he crashed into them.

[Andrew the Gojifan]

Probably best we move on from the topic altogether...

Anyway, how 'bout them Kaiju? I cringed when Kamata-Kun dabbed in Shin Godzilla.

Wait what?!

[KingKong2005]

^Right?! I don't remember that either

[MechaGoji Bro7503]

Anyway, how 'bout them Kaiju? I cringed when Kamata-Kun dabbed in Shin Godzilla.

But that's my favorite part. It's right before he topples that building. I could really feel that family's dread as they watched a gigantic turkey fetus monster dab before he crashed into them.

The atomic breath scene couldn't even live up to this scene - it was truly a height the franchise will never reach again.

[GojiDude95]

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The names that they gave form A and form B. I cringe when they use "kun" it sounds like something from the the depths of anime cancer.

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Times were different

It was 13 skreeonking YEARS AGO unless you're talking about the orginal, but I'm pretty sure you weren't. Clarify if I'm wrong

I kinda butchered my own response lol!
Yeah I didn't just mean the original I meant the portrayal of any of the natives but again I messed up cause I was trying to answer ALL of the nitpicks you might've had with how they portray natives.
I also might've taken a bit too many migraine pills

[Godzillian]

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The names that they gave form A and form B. I cringe when they use "kun" it sounds like something from the the depths of anime cancer.

It's not like that's an actual thing in the Japanese language and are the name Japan has given them be happy its not used in the film

[GojiDude95]

I am glad that they weren't but the majority of the fans due. I just refer to them as Form A and Form B.

[Godzillian]

I am glad that they weren't but the majority of the fans due. I just refer to them as Form A and Form B.

that's even cringier since it's what the toys of them are called

[GojiDude95]

Maybe so. It just reminds me back then when we were speculating how his two forms were gonna look. I thought the burnt 4th form was the first look then he genuinely heals throughout the movie and ends up looking like a traditional Godzilla
I guess it's no surprise that I'm not a big anime guy yet I grew up with DBZ, Pokemon, and Yugioh. Ironic I know.

[SoggyNoodles2016]

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The names that they gave

Times were different

It was 13 skreeonking YEARS AGO unless you're talking about the orginal, but I'm pretty sure you weren't. Clarify if I'm wrong

I kinda butchered my own response lol!
Yeah I didn't just mean the original I meant the portrayal of any of the natives but again I messed up cause I was trying to answer ALL of the nitpicks you might've had with how they portray natives.
I also might've taken a bit too many migraine pills [/quote]
It's cool, man. I kinda got a little nuts. I don't care anymore. The natives were less racist, just unappealing to me. Sorry if I was rude.

Though I disagree with you on the kun thing

[GojiDude95]

All's good my friend.

[KingKong2005]

Yall know what's cringe to me? The overuse of Rodan, Mothra, and King Ghidorah!

[goji89]

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The names that they gave form A and form B. I cringe when they use "kun" it sounds like something from the the depths of anime cancer.

I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you are looking for someone to agree with you, I can tell you, you've found him. Its okay if you dont respond to me but I will look for you, I will find you, and I will high five you.

[MechaGoji Bro7503]

Yall know what's cringe to me? The overuse of Rodan, Mothra, and King Ghidorah!

Although I wouldn't consider that cringe, I agree with you about Mothra and KG. Rodan....... we haven't seen enough of him.

Honestly I think the word "cringe" has lost its meaning.