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Re: Godzilla Misconceptions You Like To Clear Up

Postby szmigiel » Wed Jun 07, 2017 3:48 pm

Monsterland is what it is called in the Japanese version, Monster Island in the Dubs. They even show footage from DAM in GvsG directly. These movies have about as much continuity as Abbott and Costello or 3 Stooges. Each one is made to pretty much stand on it's own with limited connection to what came before them.

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Re: Godzilla Misconceptions You Like To Clear Up

Postby Lain Of The Wired » Wed Jun 07, 2017 3:51 pm

Of course, its so it doesn't alienate any new viewers
The Showa series does continuity better that way, unlike the Heisei series
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Re: Godzilla Misconceptions You Like To Clear Up

Postby UltramanGoji » Wed Jun 07, 2017 3:59 pm

szmigiel wrote:Monsterland is what it is called in the Japanese version, Monster Island in the Dubs.


Nope. Monsterland is the Ogasawara Island facility from DAM, Monster Island is an entirely different location in later films.

szmigiel wrote:They even show footage from DAM in GvsG directly.


...So? Stock footage's only purpose is to add onto existing scenes because the budget ran out to shoot new ones. It shouldn't be taken as evidence against the Showa series' continuity.
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Postby MechaGoji Bro7503 » Wed Jun 07, 2017 5:20 pm

szmigiel wrote:Monsterland is what it is called in the Japanese version, Monster Island in the Dubs. They even show footage from DAM in GvsG directly. These movies have about as much continuity as Abbott and Costello or 3 Stooges. Each one is made to pretty much stand on it's own with limited connection to what came before them.

That would be because of stock footage.
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Postby MaxRebo320 » Wed Jun 07, 2017 5:36 pm

szmigiel wrote:So lose that there are no reoccurring human characters, actors yes, but always playing new roles.

I find that explanation invalid. There have been plenty of film and television series that have reused actors. Both Colin Baker and Peter Capaldi (Not to mention so many other actors in other parts) played one-off roles before being cast as the Doctor on Doctor Who. But by your logic, since they were already seen prior, those seasons with them in different parts simply aren't canon with one another.

szmigiel wrote:Trapped in an ice avalanche on an island in a valley at the end of GRA, but floating in an iceberg at the beginning of KKvsG

Yeah, like I said, there are some irreconcilabilities, but I'm not sure if I'd consider that something so major, the films simply cannot connect.

szmigiel wrote:Adult Mothra in GvsSM, then back to Larva Mothra for DAM.

I kind of figured the adult Mothra in Sea Monster was the one seen in Mothra vs. Godzilla and Ghidorah all grown up. Again, that could explain her absence in Monster Zero. And can't the larvae in DAM just be her offspring? After all, it has been shown that Mothras have pretty short life spans (Born in 1961, about to die in 64).

szmigiel wrote:Then in ToMG they completely edit out King Caeser from the opening battle and never mention him at all.

The opening just serves as a recap of the basic events of the last movie, and can also serve as a quick explanation as to what happened for those who haven't seen the last film. Since King Seesar doesn't appear at all in TOMG, it'd be pointless to show him in the prologue, when unfamiliar viewers will be asking "Who's that dog guy?"

Episodic doesn't mean negative continuity.
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Re: Godzilla Misconceptions You Like To Clear Up

Postby szmigiel » Thu Jun 08, 2017 5:45 am

MaxRebo320 wrote:I find that explanation invalid. There have been plenty of film and television series that have reused actors. Both Colin Baker and Peter Capaldi (Not to mention so many other actors in other parts) played one-off roles before being cast as the Doctor on Doctor Who. But by your logic, since they were already seen prior, those seasons with them in different parts simply aren't canon with one another.

My problem isn't with the reuse of actors, I have no issue with that at all.

My issue is that, other then Dr. Yamane in GRA, there is never a reoccurring character. They wouldn't need to be a major character, just a background character from time to time. Even the James Bond films have a few reoccurring characters other then Bond himself, some played by one actor over several films, others played by different actors each time. The Showa era has as much continuity as the Ray Harryhausen Sinbad movies, where the only thing that stays the same is Sinbad is the captain of a ship in an Arabian mythological setting.

I don't think the writes gave much thought to even having continuity between films, unless it was convenient to write it in. They were just as happy to ignore anything that didn't work into their plans for the current film. Prefect example is GTTHM and GvsMZ, it was convenient to use the events of GTTHM, but completely dropped Mothra since she was inconvenient. Same thing between GvsMG and ToMG, King Caesar was inconvenient and therefore dropped.

So lose to no continuity. For strong continuity the films need not to just ignore anything that is inconvenient. Heisei Godzilla films does a little better, the Heisei Gamera films do an excellent job.

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Postby Zarm » Thu Jun 08, 2017 5:57 am

The shobijin are recurring. :)

But really, that's the makings of an anthology series, not a lack of continuity. These giant monsters affect the entire countryside; it's reasonable that different people's lives would be affected each time (especially as they often attack different regions), or that you could focus on different people among the affected thousands rather than the same ones all the time. recurring human characters was the route that Heisei chose to take; recurring monster characters with an anthology of human casts is the direction that Showa took.
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Re: Godzilla Misconceptions You Like To Clear Up

Postby szmigiel » Thu Jun 08, 2017 6:01 am

Zarm wrote:The shobijin are recurring. :)

Your right on that, completely ignored the Peanuts Emi and Yumi Ito.

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Re: Godzilla Misconceptions You Like To Clear Up

Postby Shhh! The Octopus » Thu Jun 08, 2017 6:35 am

UltramanGoji wrote:Nope. Monsterland is the Ogasawara Island facility from DAM, Monster Island is an entirely different location in later films.


Right. Plus Monsterland is near Japan in the North Pacific while Monster Island is described as being in the "faraway South Pacific".
Also in the Japanese dub (of DAM) a scientist states that the monsters were first brought to Monsterland "around 20 years ago". That would mean around 1979 since the film is set around 1999. That would be a few years after the events of Terror of Mechagodzilla.

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Postby Lain Of The Wired » Thu Jun 08, 2017 6:41 am

It only doesn't make sense if you dont understand it ;)
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Postby SpaceG92 » Fri Jun 09, 2017 8:21 am

Better late then never - but I think this needs to be posted every couple of months.

Mixotroph wrote:A mixotroph is an organism that can use a mix of different sources of energy and carbon, instead of having a single trophic mode on the continuum from complete autotrophy at one end to heterotrophy at the other.

Possible combinations are photo- and chemotrophy, litho- and organotrophy, auto- and heterotrophy or other combinations of these. Mixotrophs can be either eukaryotic or prokaryotic. They can take advantage of different environmental conditions.

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Postby Omegamorph » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:23 am

SpaceG92 wrote:Better late then never - but I think this needs to be posted every couple of months.

Mixotroph wrote:A mixotroph is an organism that can use a mix of different sources of energy and carbon, instead of having a single trophic mode on the continuum from complete autotrophy at one end to heterotrophy at the other.

Possible combinations are photo- and chemotrophy, litho- and organotrophy, auto- and heterotrophy or other combinations of these. Mixotrophs can be either eukaryotic or prokaryotic. They can take advantage of different environmental conditions.

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Postby Lain Of The Wired » Fri Jun 09, 2017 5:19 pm

Godzilla vs. The Devil was real, and was covered up by the community
Heres the trailer https://youtu.be/dYYxBkFdW6o
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Postby SpaceG92 » Sun Jun 11, 2017 11:43 am

Lain Of The Wired wrote:Godzilla vs. The Devil was real, and was covered up by the community
Heres the trailer https://youtu.be/dYYxBkFdW6o

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Please do a little more research before claiming something is real when the description disproves it immediately.

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Postby GoWhaleTours » Sun Jun 11, 2017 12:41 pm

SpaceG92 wrote:
Lain Of The Wired wrote:Godzilla vs. The Devil was real, and was covered up by the community
Heres the trailer https://youtu.be/dYYxBkFdW6o

Published on Aug 16, 2016
Something I threw together over 10 years ago using the trailers for Godzilla vs. The Smog Monster & Godzilla vs. Megalon. I was lucky that both use the same announcer. Footage from Asylum of Satan, Satan's Children, Monsteroid!: It Came From The Lake, Magic Serpent, Return of the Giant Monsters, Terror of Mechagodzilla and few other G films. The font is from Frankenstein Conquers The World.


Please do a little more research before claiming something is real when the description disproves it immediately.

I'm pretty sure that was sarcasm
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Postby SpaceG92 » Sun Jun 11, 2017 1:00 pm

GoWhaleTours wrote:I'm pretty sure that was sarcasm

Pretty sure it was too.

There was no need to post that video or his post in this thread to begin with.

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Re: Godzilla Misconceptions You Like To Clear Up

Postby BlacktimusPrime » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:37 pm

SpaceG92 wrote:
GoWhaleTours wrote:I'm pretty sure that was sarcasm

Pretty sure it was too.

There was no need to post that video or his post in this thread to begin with.


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Re: Godzilla Misconceptions You Like To Clear Up

Postby Gerdzerl » Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:17 am

That the 1998 TriStar Godzilla is mutated from a marine iguana specifically and not just an iguana or some other kind of lizard in general. I've seen people assume or say this so many times without proper citation, it's not even funny.

Do any of the guidebooks or merchandise for Godzilla (1998) mention anything about marine iguanas? I need to know where people are getting this idea from.

I mean, it's even possible he might instead be a mutated green iguana, going off the fact that the nest his egg was in was guarded by one in the film's opening:

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Postby Dawsbfiremind » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:45 am

This made me bristle with anger for some reason. Some idiot on youtube said that, without a doubt, DCEU Superman could beat the strongest Godzilla incarnation.
At the very least, Godzilla would get him with atomic breath. If any of you watched BvS, you probably noticed that Supes was technically killed by the nuke they shot at him and Doomsday. I doubt atomic breath would be any different.
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Re: Godzilla Misconceptions You Like To Clear Up

Postby Ivo-goji » Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:03 am

^Yeah, there are versions of Godzilla that can blow up a planet, no way in hell would a version of Superman as low powered as DCEU Supes beat them. Earth One Supes sure, but not DCEU Supes.
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