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Best composited Godzilla scene?

Postby ray243 » Thu Feb 14, 2013 8:53 am

I'm a relatively casual Godzilla fan compared to most users here. I might not have watch every single Godzilla movie, nor do I recall every fact about Godzilla, but I do enjoy watching Godzilla movies.

I have recently went back and re-watched a number of Heisei-era/millennium era movies and found them to be a little disappointing. I know a lot of Godzilla fans here hated GINO and how fake a CGI godzilla looked, but personally I find the portrayal of Godzilla in the Japanese film to be fairly unrealistic as well.

My biggest grip with the Japanese films is they generally did a pretty bad job when it comes to compositing Godzilla into real life footage. I understand that film and special effects composition during the 80s isn't an easy task because there is no computer to aid the special effect artist, but there should be no excuse why the millennium era films suffer from the same problem as well.

Take a look at some of the screenshots from Godzilla: GMK

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You can easily tell the lighting on Godzilla himself and the lighting of the city isn't consistence at all. Godzilla is underlit while the real life town/city is brightly exposed to natural daylight.

http://tarstarkas.net/pics/movies/g/gmk08.jpg
The same problem exist in the second screenshot of Godzilla entering the harbour.

This is are just some of the badly composited scenes. So, if these scenes simply highlight the fact that Godzilla isn't really walking past a real city, does anyone have scenes or screenshots whereby Godzilla was nicely composited into a real life city and can allow the audience to suspend their disbelief easily?

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Re: Best composited Godzilla scene?

Postby ray243 » Thu Feb 14, 2013 9:18 am

I do not have the privilege to post pictures yet. So you would have to click on the image links.

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Re: Best composited Godzilla scene?

Postby ray243 » Thu Feb 14, 2013 9:27 am

Yup. Thanks!

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Re: Best composited Godzilla scene?

Postby ray243 » Thu Feb 14, 2013 9:45 am

It's a lot easier to composite a non-moving object. Not to mention it is in black and white.

Colour composition seems to be something that most Japanese special effects crews struggle with. However, it is not like Hollywood composition is flawless. King Kong (2005) is an excellent example of poor composition as well.

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Re: Best composited Godzilla scene?

Postby 20th Century Boy » Thu Feb 14, 2013 4:16 pm

It's been a while since I saw it, but a few composite shots from the opening sequence of Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla were very convincing. I'm talking specifically about the scene where Godzilla is rising from behind the reporter and the scene where people are running in the rain while Godzilla's foot smashes a house in the background.

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Re: Best composited Godzilla scene?

Postby Tamura » Thu Feb 14, 2013 4:26 pm

One of my favorites:

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Re: Best composited Godzilla scene?

Postby Rody » Thu Feb 14, 2013 8:03 pm

Of course, G2k also had that iffy pan away shot of Godzilla entering the bay earlier in the film, and that awful multicolored shot of Godzilla approaching the UFO.

Ah, the Millennium series; what could have been but wasn't. :|

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Re: Best composited Godzilla scene?

Postby Rody » Fri Feb 15, 2013 8:22 am

^True.

There was one shot in Mothra vs. Godzilla that looked pretty good; when Godzilla is approaching the electrical towers.

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Re: Best composited Godzilla scene?

Postby Tomzilla » Fri Feb 15, 2013 8:57 am

This is one of my favorite shots:

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Re: Best composited Godzilla scene?

Postby Breakdown » Fri Feb 15, 2013 9:41 am

^ That actually is a pretty convincing shot, I like it.


Ironic considering the crappy movie it originates from, lol.
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Re: Best composited Godzilla scene?

Postby Rody » Fri Feb 15, 2013 10:10 am

^ You took the words right out of my mouth.

Oh! Here's another good scene (which I know has been brought before, but deserves mention again):
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The eerie tone of Godzilla's roar added something to the scene as well.

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Re: Best composited Godzilla scene?

Postby Terasawa » Fri Feb 15, 2013 12:12 pm

Rody, though that is definitely a great scene, it's not a composite shot.

Here's another particularly awesome (and brief) shot from KING KONG VS. GODZILLA.

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Re: Best composited Godzilla scene?

Postby ray243 » Fri Feb 15, 2013 12:30 pm

Hmm...isn't it sad that a Heisei-era scene can look as good as/better than a millennium era scene?

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Re: Best composited Godzilla scene?

Postby eabaker » Fri Feb 15, 2013 12:33 pm

To be fair, the Heisei and Millennium eras did attempt some matte shots with much more difficult separations than most of the great ones being cited from the Showa era.
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Re: Best composited Godzilla scene?

Postby Mincecraft » Fri Feb 15, 2013 1:15 pm

Varan Bon Ziller wrote:This isn't all that great...

But I think this shot is a little better.

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That one came out pretty well in my eyes...

...especialy when compared to, well, ya know...

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Re: Best composited Godzilla scene?

Postby Rody » Fri Feb 15, 2013 1:27 pm

CTHimes wrote:Rody, though that is definitely a great scene, it's not a composite shot.

Was that entire scene a set, then?!
...Or do I have even worse understanding of composite shots than I thought?

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Re: Best composited Godzilla scene?

Postby eabaker » Fri Feb 15, 2013 1:30 pm

Rody wrote:
CTHimes wrote:Rody, though that is definitely a great scene, it's not a composite shot.

Was that entire scene a set, then?!
...Or do I have even worse understanding of composite shots than I thought?


Yeah, that's all one big miniature set. Tsuburaya's team was good!
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Re: Best composited Godzilla scene?

Postby Rody » Fri Feb 15, 2013 1:34 pm

Now that is truly awesome.

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Re: Best composited Godzilla scene?

Postby Terasawa » Fri Feb 15, 2013 2:05 pm

eabaker wrote:
Rody wrote:Was that entire scene a set, then?!
...Or do I have even worse understanding of composite shots than I thought?


Yeah, that's all one big miniature set. Tsuburaya's team was good!


Yep! Filmed in Toho's Big Pool. Here's a BTS shot of Nakano's crew filming the climax of IMPERIAL NAVY in the same pool. The camera crew at the top shows just how big the backdrop was.

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Re: Best composited Godzilla scene?

Postby ray243 » Sun Feb 17, 2013 2:24 am

Hmm, Godzilla should be lowered a bit. The shot makes it look like Godzilla is walking in the air..


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