The Intrigues of AUs

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The Intrigues of AUs

Postby DaveTheAnalyzer » Sat Oct 27, 2012 10:33 pm

Has anyone ever thought of what happened if a event in a Kaiju film happened a bit differently? What would the ramifications be if Serizawa survived his heroic sacrifice? How would the world react if Gamera spotted Toshio in that oncoming train and spared him a second time? What would BabyGodzilla's reaction be if there was no Fire Rodan close by to save Godzilla from death? The outcomes that could alter the course of a story intrigue lots of people.

An AU is shorthand for "Alternate Universe," what happens if the setting or actions were railroaded from their canonicial course. Technically, you could quibble that the scenarios I describe should be "Alternate Timeline" or "Alternate History," with AU being applied to speculations like Godzilla appearing in the Meiji Era or dwelling on a completely fantastical Earth. But for this threat, I would go with the broad AU definition.

This thread is basically fun speculation over what happens how these small or large alteration would alter the story and how that would impact the fictional universe. Going back to the Serizawa example above, I think the world would be royally screwed if he lived. This is during the height of the Cold War. There is no doubt all kinds of governments and criminal organizations harass him and his loved ones for the secrets of the Oxygen Destroyer. The US and USSR with Oxygen Destroyer missiles trained at each other, with the slightest error causing thousands of deaths? Sorry to say, Serizawa was correct to kill himself when killing the first Godzilla. Also, it'd be interesting into see his reaction if events of Godzilla Raids Again occur.

So yeah, posts the "What-Ifs" that dominate your mind or reply to ones that interest you.

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Re: The Intrigues of AUs

Postby Mr. X » Sun Oct 28, 2012 6:19 am

What if Orga successfully cloned Godzilla? :shock:
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Re: The Intrigues of AUs

Postby LaserDuel » Sun Oct 28, 2012 6:46 am

Mr. X wrote:What if Orga successfully cloned Godzilla? :shock:


Wouldn't that just replace one Godzilla with another?

What if Godzilla hadn't been frozen at the beginning of Final Wars?

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Re: The Intrigues of AUs

Postby Breakdown » Sun Oct 28, 2012 6:47 am

Mr. X wrote:What if Orga successfully cloned Godzilla? :shock:

That would have been interesting to see.


As for the Oxygen Destroyer missles, wasnt the 1960s the height of the Cold War with the Cuban Missle Crisis and everything? But yeah Oxygen Destroyer weapons would be a scary thing.
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Re: The Intrigues of AUs

Postby tenup » Sun Oct 28, 2012 7:25 am

I always wondered what would've happened if Gozer from the first Ghostbusters film summoned Godzilla at the end? Always thought that would've been the ultimate destructor.

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Re: The Intrigues of AUs

Postby DaveTheAnalyzer » Sun Oct 28, 2012 6:41 pm

Mr. X wrote:What if Orga successfully cloned Godzilla? :shock:


If Orga successfully cloned Godzilla, would Godzilla have died?

I suspect Orga would still retain his mental capacities if he becomes a Godzilla clone, though he might not look exactly like Godzilla. I guess this would kind of screw the world over since the Millenians don't seem like the nice type of alien. Then again, this might provide richer opportunity to explore their motives and worldview, whether it's Godzilla chatting him up or it's the humans.

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Re: The Intrigues of AUs

Postby ScootaVaran » Sun Oct 28, 2012 7:39 pm

What if Ghidorah never came to earth? Would Godzilla continued being evil?

What if creating a black hole on earth actually turned out to be a bad idea?
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Re: The Intrigues of AUs

Postby Kiryu2012 » Sun Oct 28, 2012 7:49 pm

What if Godzillasaurus and the Dorats were both mutated in the same area?

What if Orga won?

What if Super Mechagodzilla killed Godzilla for good?

What if more robots were built like Kiryu?
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Re: The Intrigues of AUs

Postby GodzillaSpawn » Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:19 pm

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What if the villagers in the original Gojira never lured Godzilla to shore by leaving a trail of hot, still-totally useful virgins out there as sacrifices?

What if the people in the giant basket never yelled at Godzilla to do a cannonball off the island before it was nuked in EHotD?

What if Space Godzilla tickled Godzilla under his armpit?

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Re: The Intrigues of AUs

Postby JAGzilla » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:09 am

If Orga would've successfully become a clone of Godzilla... that's an interesting one. Well, the first and most obvious effect is that Tokyo would've been completely levelled. Two full-blown Godzillas, both thoroughly pissed and armed with regeneration? They'd have fought for hours. The military would most likely have gotten involved, trying to kill both monsters while they were focused on each other. This probably would've just increased the damage to Tokyo, though. Probable outcome: the monsters fight until exhausted, then retreat to the ocean to recover. Japan loses a capital and is thrown into chaos.

After that? All hell breaks loose. If Orga is serious about world-domination, he now has the means to try pulling it off. He can use the ocean as cover, travel all over the world and attack coastal cities at will. Being the tech-savvy sentient alien that he is, he'd probably understand our methods of tracking him, such as submarines. He'd hit those at every opportunity, reducing our ability to see him coming. He'd take out naval bases and ships at sea, crippling our defenses and international economy. He'd be the ultimate terrorist, really. He could do all freaking kinds of damage with little effort, and we have no easy way to stop him. Resorting to nukes might kill him, though it would certainly hurt us and could potentially just make him stronger.

Now, the other thing to consider is Godzilla himself. Assuming Orga doesn't kill him in the initial battle, he's gonna be out for blood. He'll hunt Orga everywhere he goes, and attack him at every opportunity. If Orga plays it smart, however, he could easily use that to his advantage. He could sow confusion, as it would probably be difficult for us to tell the two Godzillas apart. The world's militaries might be manipulated into wasting their resources attacking the wrong monster. And even if they don't, Godzilla can't really help but add to the damage and chaos as he follows Orga around.

So all this might go on for weeks, months. Years potentially, though we or Godzilla would probably find some way to bring Orga down sooner than that. It's highly unlikely that he'd actually take over the world, but he'd hurt us badly. Of course, there is the slim possibility that he called his homeworld for help before his ship was destroyed. On the off-chance that they're still interested in Earth, they might send him that help, in which case we're pretty well boned.

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Re: The Intrigues of AUs

Postby Space Hunter M » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:14 am

What if the JSDF didn't overcharge the electrical tower voltage in vs. The Thing? Godzilla looked pretty down for the count... Then only Rodan and Mothra would protect the earth against Ghidorah, I guess? Totally more intriguing than a restored version of Smog Monster.
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Re: The Intrigues of AUs

Postby Breakdown » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:41 am

I doubt the Godzillified Orga would look identical to his predecessor. I imagine it looking like a huge, deformed Godzilla.
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Re: The Intrigues of AUs

Postby Mr. X » Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:17 am

Gyaos wrote:I doubt the Godzillified Orga would look identical to his predecessor. I imagine it looking like a huge, deformed Godzilla.


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Re: The Intrigues of AUs

Postby MasonWerx » Fri Nov 02, 2012 11:18 pm

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Re: The Intrigues of AUs

Postby Giga Kaiju » Sat Nov 03, 2012 2:54 pm

JAGzilla wrote:If Orga would've successfully become a clone of Godzilla... that's an interesting one. Well, the first and most obvious effect is that Tokyo would've been completely levelled. Two full-blown Godzillas, both thoroughly pissed and armed with regeneration? They'd have fought for hours. The military would most likely have gotten involved, trying to kill both monsters while they were focused on each other. This probably would've just increased the damage to Tokyo, though. Probable outcome: the monsters fight until exhausted, then retreat to the ocean to recover. Japan loses a capital and is thrown into chaos.

After that? All hell breaks loose. If Orga is serious about world-domination, he now has the means to try pulling it off. He can use the ocean as cover, travel all over the world and attack coastal cities at will. Being the tech-savvy sentient alien that he is, he'd probably understand our methods of tracking him, such as submarines. He'd hit those at every opportunity, reducing our ability to see him coming. He'd take out naval bases and ships at sea, crippling our defenses and international economy. He'd be the ultimate terrorist, really. He could do all freaking kinds of damage with little effort, and we have no easy way to stop him. Resorting to nukes might kill him, though it would certainly hurt us and could potentially just make him stronger.

Now, the other thing to consider is Godzilla himself. Assuming Orga doesn't kill him in the initial battle, he's gonna be out for blood. He'll hunt Orga everywhere he goes, and attack him at every opportunity. If Orga plays it smart, however, he could easily use that to his advantage. He could sow confusion, as it would probably be difficult for us to tell the two Godzillas apart. The world's militaries might be manipulated into wasting their resources attacking the wrong monster. And even if they don't, Godzilla can't really help but add to the damage and chaos as he follows Orga around.

So all this might go on for weeks, months. Years potentially, though we or Godzilla would probably find some way to bring Orga down sooner than that. It's highly unlikely that he'd actually take over the world, but he'd hurt us badly. Of course, there is the slim possibility that he called his homeworld for help before his ship was destroyed. On the off-chance that they're still interested in Earth, they might send him that help, in which case we're pretty well boned.


Good theory i always wondered that if Orga succeded in cloning Godzilla something like this would happened.
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Re: The Intrigues of AUs

Postby MegaLagoras » Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:56 am

What if Geronimon had successfully created and controlled his Kaiju army? If Ultraman were the only Ultra on earth, I doubt he'd have survived.

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Re: The Intrigues of AUs

Postby Rody » Mon Nov 05, 2012 12:02 pm

^ I think it would depend on what monsters were in his army.

Space Hunter M wrote:What if the JSDF didn't overcharge the electrical tower voltage in vs. The Thing? Godzilla looked pretty down for the count... Then only Rodan and Mothra would protect the earth against Ghidorah, I guess?

That is a very interesting question. I honestly think the JSDF could have killed Godzilla if they had continued a while longer.
That would have been a lacking end to the movie and the series, though. :-x

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Re: The Intrigues of AUs

Postby Shadow » Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:19 am

What if most of the human scenes in FW were cut? :shock:
What would happen if they didn't discover Dessy's weakness, thereby unable to stop him?
What if Jet Jaguar did Gangnam style?
What if Orga wasn't alone on his mission, there could be more than one Orga?
What if the Oxygen Destroyer was never invented?
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Re: The Intrigues of AUs

Postby Giga Kaiju » Tue Nov 06, 2012 3:09 pm

What if Godzilla and Kiryu returned after the events of TOKYO SOS?
What if the nuclear missile in Return of Godzilla wasn't intercepted?
What if the ANEB didn't had any effect on Godzilla?
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Re: The Intrigues of AUs

Postby Godzilla1703 » Wed Nov 28, 2012 7:00 pm

What if Ghidorah never came to Earth? Would Godzilla have stayed evil?

What if Ghidorah won in GtTHM?

What if Godzilla wasn't killed by the Oxygen Destroyer and moved on to America?

What if Godzilla was the only survivor of GtTHM? Would he have gone back to being evil? Would he have been scared for live? (I also like the thought of Godzilla killing all the monsters and moving on to destroy Japan)

What if Destroyah hadn't killed Junior? Would Junior have just fought alongside Godzilla until the explosion and died or just absorb the energy?

What if Anguirus healed and pitched in during the final battle of GVMG?

What if Anguirus was in GVM?

What if Anguirus helped Godzilla in TOMG?

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