locomike65 wrote:godzillaspawn. some good points. Toho isnt the greatest on character continuity. Those 2 points you mentioned about GMK and the 2 only being 1 in the next film, i believe are examples of this.
It does seem logical that the fight the GZ in the 64 film might have hastened her death but it still true that she was an aged almost dead Mothra even before the fight began.
Now my point about him leaving vs yours. Remember before whe flew in he was all about trying to destroy that egg. If he still had some fight in him, wouldnt he have gone in to finish off the egg???? would have been easy at that point. But he goes the other way instead. RE Kong. Ive been vbery let down with that one because they really dont show Kong beating the crap out of him. Mostly the other way around even though they claim Kong to be the victor. GZ isnt on the ground incapacitated for most of the fight liek he was in the Mothra fight.
Re the rebirth thing. If you listen to the dialog (i honestly dont remember ifs its the Japanese, Us of both verions here) when they are on infant island trying to convince Mothra to come and help, the fairys state the she will be tranferred into the new born one after she dies and it is born. Also, the new baby always seems to know whats up the moment its born as far as where it needs to go, who it needs to fight etc.
I wasnt trying to say she never loses a battle though and agree with your comments in your second paragraph.
My nimpressions of not thinking GZ was running away after the fight in your scene were that same as yours until I strted studying the movie deeper. Its kinda interesting to me how it works that way in a couple spots
thanks for the great discussion, cool stuff man!
I got to admit, the moment I disagreed with you I expected you to reply with rudeness and insults since that seems to be popular on this forum lol. Kudos for responding and carrying on a constructive debate.
Your are absolutely right that toho isn't famous for character consistency and continuity. I accept that point of view as well. But while that doesn't prove my point right in a sense, it doesn't necessarily prove yours right either. In only 2 out of 5 films that they fight each other, it only shows Godzilla kill an adult Mothra and then have to fight the larvae immediately after ('64 obviously and SOS). He doesn't kill her in "Sea Monster" or "Battle for Earth", but he does kill her in GMK. So I just don't think that's enough evidence to go off of either way. I haven't watched the Hesei Mothra series, I'm only talking about how she is portrayed in the Godzilla series.
I do agree that she was dying before fighting Godzilla. But I think the twins meant that a battle of that magnitude would be the end of Mothra In other words, I personally believe had she not fought Godzilla and just relaxed on the island she would have lived longer. How much more? Not much most likely.
Godzilla did seem very interested in the egg. But at the time it was the only unique thing to him. Hell, for all we know, he could have tried to raise the Mothra larvae since it seems he's always adopting kids lol. It wasn't until a giant butterfly showed up from out of nowhere and started dragging him around that he generally lost interest in the egg. But, I also would credit Godzilla's exit as part of Toho's continuity gaps. Did he forget the egg existed? Did Mothra block it from his view? Even to this day, I still don't know what the hell Godzilla is trying to do in that film lol. What's he even looking for? But I am interested to give this film another watch and look for that scene and if it looks to me that Godzilla retreated in any fashion. But part of this debate feels like we are thinking harder into it than Toho did.
As for Kong? Well, he certainly got beat up way more than Godzilla and was almost beat to death until the lightning storm. Even after the storm, Godzilla more than held his own. Every attack Kong landed, Godzilla would land one of his own. But back to my point, Godzilla did take harder hits than anything Mothra gave him (aside form the poison, and I can't measure how effective that was). When Kong was dropped from the balloons and knocked Godzilla tumbling down the rocky mountain, it had to be one of the hardest hits the monster king has even taken. He also got thrown by his tail and judo tossed a couple of times, not to mention a tree jammed down his throat. Godzilla wasn't even injured after those cases as he got right back up and started hunting Kong down, so I do question how much of an effect Mothra had by dragging him and knocking him over with wind-gusts. And in my ignorant opinion, Kong was swimming away from Godzilla to survive (not as a victor). But it was left ambiguous, much like Inception, so if someone wants to think Kong won then they are able to do that.