Godzilla's Most Formidable Foe?

[Godzilla165]

Godzilla's most formidable foe: Man.

We've been fighting since the beginning. No matter how many cities Godzilla burns, no matter how many people he crushes, Mankind has proven to be a relentless, dangerous enemy. It's true Godzilla is a giant and a force of nature. It could fairly be argued he's won more battles than he's lost; however, neither side have won the war. One word immediately springs to mind when I think about Godzilla's rivalry with humankind: escalation. The bigger Godzilla gets, the stronger our weapons become. The more powerful Godzilla becomes, so too shall our machines be.

Like many great rivalries, we've even been forced to work together to overcome a greater threat.

Godzilla is a destructive force, probably the most powerful being on Earth. But there's a reason why Mankind threatens Godzilla's existence. While it's true Godzilla threatens our existence, we are killing machines in our own right. We're smarter, we're creative, and we're legion. We're also responsible for Godzilla's atomic rebirth, so there's a reason why he lives in our shadow--not the other way around.

Mankind's the true monster here. That's what makes us the most formidable.

^ Words of truth right there.

[JAGzilla]

^ Agreed. That's a very good and accurate post. We're responsible for nearly all of the most dangerous kaiju: Godzilla, Rodan, Destoroyah, Hedorah, Space Godzilla, and quite a few others. And most of the alien kaiju are mostly drawn here because of us; if humanity wasn't here to conquer, they'd have little reason to come to earth.

[Giga Kaiju]

Godzilla's most formidable foe: Man.

We've been fighting since the beginning. No matter how many cities Godzilla burns, no matter how many people he crushes, Mankind has proven to be a relentless, dangerous enemy. It's true Godzilla is a giant and a force of nature. It could fairly be argued he's won more battles than he's lost; however, neither side have won the war. One word immediately springs to mind when I think about Godzilla's rivalry with humankind: escalation. The bigger Godzilla gets, the stronger our weapons become. The more powerful Godzilla becomes, so too shall our machines be.

Like many great rivalries, we've even been forced to work together to overcome a greater threat.

Godzilla is a destructive force, probably the most powerful being on Earth. But there's a reason why Mankind threatens Godzilla's existence. While it's true Godzilla threatens our existence, we are killing machines in our own right. We're smarter, we're creative, and we're legion. We're also responsible for Godzilla's atomic rebirth, so there's a reason why he lives in our shadow--not the other way around.

Mankind's the true monster here. That's what makes us the most formidable.

Agree. No matter how much Godzilla tries to destroy Humanity, they will always comeback to try to beat him.

But if it refers to Kaiju then:

Showa: MechaGodzilla, Ghidorah and Hedorah.

Heisei: SpaceGodzilla, MechaGodzilla and Destoroyah.

Millenium: Kiryu and Keizer Ghidorah.

[ZillaMaster91]

For me, Godzilla's most formidable foes would be Hedorah (1971), MechaGodzilla (1974), Super MechaGodzilla (1993), Destoroyah (1995), and Keizer Ghidorah (2004)

One of the reasons that I don't favor the Millennium series is that every film maker who sits in the director's chair just had to make Godzilla the MOST powerful monster ever. Orga never stood a chance, Megaguirus fried, the GMK Trio were splattered against the wall, Kiryu also came close until it went berserk, and all the monsters in GFW were just cannon fodder with the exception of Monster X/Keizer Ghidorah.

[tymon]

Gotta throw in my vote for Mechagodzilla (74/75/93). MG is always a BAMF (that little wuss Kiryu, on the other hand)...

MechaGodzilla. In both the Showa and Heisei series, MechaGodzilla was one of the only monsters to ever get Godzilla inches from death. The only way Godzilla ever won against was because of deus ex machina, another monster, or something beyond his control. As in, there's really no way Godzilla can beat MechaGodzilla in straight up one-on-one fight. Not to mention, MechaGodzilla is just a big insult to Godzilla: Something far more powerful than in him, made in his image. I'd be pissed off too if someone made a robot-clone of me that was superior in nearly every way.

Well put.

[kaiju115]

For Showa: King Ghidorah, Hedorah, & Mechagodzilla.

For Heisei: Mechagodzilla, Destoroyah.

For Millennium: Kiryu, Kaiser Ghidorah.

[Kaiju-King42]

Showa: Hedorah probably. King Ghidorah and Mechagodzilla would take second place.

Heisei: Destoroyah. Runner ups are MG2 and SG, although Biollante also could be a very dangerous foe indeed if the enemy lacks regeneration and a weapon powerful enough to overcome her own.

Millennium: Megaguirus. While Kiryu and Godzilla seemed to be even in their battle, Megaguirus was destroying Godzilla with the help of her speed. Godzilla had to fight intelligently in this one, possibly more than any other foe.

Mankind id a good answer, but I have a little trouble seeing us as the most formidable foe if we can't hurt Godzilla without the help of sci-fi technology. We're the most persistent and recurring, yes, but not the most dangerous.

[Plexton]

Showa Series: Hedorah, easily

Heisei Series: Destoroyah or Super MechaGodzilla, both came pretty close to killing him, and would have defeated him without outside interference.

Millennium Series: Probably Kiryu

I agree with your choices! I also like What Tomzilla said about the rivalry between Mankind and Godzilla; that would be an interesting theme to explore for a film.

[Shadow]

Showa: Mechagodzilla and Hedorah

Heisei: Destoroyah and Super Mechagodzilla

Millennium: Kiryu and Kaiser Ghidorah

[Bentley]

Gigan!!

Just kidding, but I wanted to throw this guy a bone.

[locomike65]

Mothra has the most victories over Godzilla actually. There was some "lost footage" on you tube until recently of some extra footage from the original fight from the 1964 movie that was pretty cool. love to get my hands on it.

[Omegazilla]

Showa: Hedorah and MechaG
Heisei: SMG, Destroyah, and possibly SG.
Millennium: Kaiser Ghidorah and possibly Orga

Mothra has the most victories over Godzilla actually. There was some "lost footage" on you tube until recently of some extra footage from the original fight from the 1964 movie that was pretty cool. love to get my hands on it.

While true, I would say Mothra is far from his most powerful opponent. Why? Simply because Mothra usually loses 1v1 fights to Godzilla , at least in the Millennium and Heisei series. For the Showa series they were more evenly matched. Like when the old dying imago Mothra gave Godzilla a run for his money in the original 1964 film. That certainly showed her power. Compare that with TBE where Mothra gets beat 1v1 by Godzilla thanks to his nuclear pulse, and SOS where Godzilla flat out kills her.

[GodzillaSpawn]

Showa: Hedorah and MechaG
Heisei: SMG, Destroyah, and possibly SG.
Millennium: Kaiser Ghidorah and possibly Orga

Mothra has the most victories over Godzilla actually. There was some "lost footage" on you tube until recently of some extra footage from the original fight from the 1964 movie that was pretty cool. love to get my hands on it.

While true, I would say Mothra is far from his most powerful opponent. Why? Simply because Mothra usually loses 1v1 fights to Godzilla , at least in the Millennium and Heisei series. For the Showa series they were more evenly matched. Like when the old dying imago Mothra gave Godzilla a run for his money in the original 1964 film. That certainly showed her power. Compare that with TBE where Mothra gets beat 1v1 by Godzilla thanks to his nuclear pulse, and SOS where Godzilla flat out kills her.

She just doesn't have the durability that Godzilla has. Even in the Showa series, she unloaded all her tricks on Godzilla but he wasn't near being defeated. It only took a couple of direct blasts of atomic ray and she was done. The two larva were lucky to e able to wrap him up in time because if he was just focused on one of them he would have killed them easily imo. After that, as you pointed out, she didn't do too well by herself, and even with help in GMK.

As for the most formidable....King Ghidorah in the Showa and Mecha Godzilla/Space Godzilla in the hesei. In the millenium, I guess Kiyru.

[Omegazilla]

Showa: Hedorah and MechaG
Heisei: SMG, Destroyah, and possibly SG.
Millennium: Kaiser Ghidorah and possibly Orga

Mothra has the most victories over Godzilla actually. There was some "lost footage" on you tube until recently of some extra footage from the original fight from the 1964 movie that was pretty cool. love to get my hands on it.

While true, I would say Mothra is far from his most powerful opponent. Why? Simply because Mothra usually loses 1v1 fights to Godzilla , at least in the Millennium and Heisei series. For the Showa series they were more evenly matched. Like when the old dying imago Mothra gave Godzilla a run for his money in the original 1964 film. That certainly showed her power. Compare that with TBE where Mothra gets beat 1v1 by Godzilla thanks to his nuclear pulse, and SOS where Godzilla flat out kills her.

She just doesn't have the durability that Godzilla has. Even in the Showa series, she unloaded all her tricks on Godzilla but he wasn't near being defeated. It only took a couple of direct blasts of atomic ray and she was done. The two larva were lucky to e able to wrap him up in time because if he was just focused on one of them he would have killed them easily imo. After that, as you pointed out, she didn't do too well by herself, and even with help in GMK.

As for the most formidable....King Ghidorah in the Showa and Mecha Godzilla/Space Godzilla in the hesei. In the millenium, I guess Kiyru.

Correct, but remember that Mothra was old and dying already. Could she have killed Godzilla if she was in peak condition? I doubt it, but it would be a more interesting fight.

[Bentley]

Mothra larva.

[GodzillaSpawn]

[/quote]She just doesn't have the durability that Godzilla has. Even in the Showa series, she unloaded all her tricks on Godzilla but he wasn't near being defeated. It only took a couple of direct blasts of atomic ray and she was done. The two larva were lucky to e able to wrap him up in time because if he was just focused on one of them he would have killed them easily imo. After that, as you pointed out, she didn't do too well by herself, and even with help in GMK.

As for the most formidable....King Ghidorah in the Showa and Mecha Godzilla/Space Godzilla in the hesei. In the millenium, I guess Kiyru.[/quote]

Correct, but remember that Mothra was old and dying already. Could she have killed Godzilla if she was in peak condition? I doubt it, but it would be a more interesting fight.[/quote]

Is there anything she can do to kill him? Mecha Godzilla, Gigan and Ghidorah couldn't with all their firepower. Even with the poison pixie dust, she lacks the ability to do the damage necessary to kill Godzilla. She's better off dropping him on the ocean over and over.

[godzilla96]

hedora

[locomike65]

omegazilla beat me to my point. the 64 film is one of the best fights and, true, in later series they made her less formidable but. She really cant be killed either. Typically in the series, whenever she dies she is replaced by another that fares better than the previous one. In the original she was almost dead before the fight started (just at the end fo her life cycle) and still beat him up more than anyone had to date. If you listen closely to the dialog its apparent that she didnt die from his blast but that she just ran out of time in her mature form(refer to life cycle of moths if neccesary to understand this). Its interesting that, after finally getting a good blow on her, he runs the other way rather than trying to go in and finish her off. Review the scene and youll see what im saying. He was defeated and getting the hell out of there.
The babys chased him down and made sure he went away.
I gotta agree with the comments about later movies, i dont feel like they stayed true to the earlier formulas but, even then, when you consider that she doesnt really die, his victorys are only short lived.
I would say in the end, because of that, If there were only 2 monsters on earth battling it out and those 2 were Godzilla and Mothra. She would eventually win even though he might fry a few incarnations of her before its over.

[GodzillaSpawn]

If we are going to be implying that Mothra has this cycle about her character that suggests that when she dies she is immediately replaced by a successor, that still leaves GMK Mothra, who faced a more powerful and more cunning Godzilla and wasn't replaced by another one. Also, if this theory was true, then the Mothra larvae who died between Mothra vs Godzilla and Ghidorah the Three-Headed Monster would have been replaced as well. Since there was only (seems to be) one Mothra in the immediate films afterwards, this shows that there is no correlation between the death of one Mothra and a birth of another.

Also, just because she usually dies after just having babies doesn't mean that she's not defeated. She's still defeated. Just because Gamera kills a Gyaos in one film and another one immediately arrives doesn't mean he didn't kill the first one. It just means that now he is going to kill two.

And I don't think statement that Godzilla had nothing to do with her death in '64 holds true for me either. Mothra was running out of ways to stop Godzilla. The two twins state that when she uses her poisonous pixie dust on Godzilla that it is "the last weapon she has left". She didn't just die because her time clock ran out, she died because she drained herself of every bit of energy left in just fighting Godzilla off. When he did hit her with radioactivity, she was too weak to recover. Godzilla probably thought her good as dead...she looked like she was done. Didn't really seem like he was even concerned with blasting her any more which would have been so easy to do with her lying there over her egg helpless and vulnerable. That's defeat. And I honestly never ever watched that scene and thought Godzilla was running away. And to say that she was trouncing him more than anybody before is not giving Kong enough credit. Godzilla took more abuse from King Kong and still proved to be the better fighter (in my opinion).

And in the 1993 film, Godzilla from what I remember had the upper-hand a good amount of the fight against Mothra. But ultimately Mothra and Battra had to team up to stop the greater threat.

[Jomei]

Obviously Bagan.