Comparing the Godzilla franchise to others

[ghidorasauras]

^ I don't completely hide it. My friends just don't know how much of a fan I am. They know I like Giant Monsters

[Carthormerr]

And where are you guys getting this shame thing from? It's not shame, it's common sense that if someone has no interest in one of your hobbies then it's probably pointless to bring it up in small talk cause all you do is alienate them when talking about something they have no interest in.

This is exactly right. If asked, or given a reasonable opportunity I gladly share my hobby/knowledge without coming across as totally obsessed. Now I am obsessed, but that much I hide from say - posting stuff on fb constantly or talking about it ALL the time. I am happy to be known as a G fan though as I have yet to meet anyone else who is.

[ScootaVaran]

Are you embarrassed to be a Godzilla fan?
That actually makes for a great thread topic.


...well, I thought so

[Gojira-Fan]

Are you embarrassed to be a Godzilla fan?
That actually makes for a great thread topic.


...well, I thought so

I agree with this. Especially considering it isn't a mainstream interest.

[ghidorasauras]

^ well then someone make it!

[Hellspawn28]

I remember people in my elementary school like Godzilla and they know the movies pretty well too. I remember in the second grade that I got into a debate with people at the lunch table on which Godzilla was better. It seems like after 1998, kids still stop liking Godzilla and move on to Pokemon.

^Most people still think of them as cheesy, though.

Maybe Godzilla vs. The Sea Monster because it's bad dub but I won't really call the 60's stuff cheesy. Maybe they are dated if you look at them in a 2012 stand point of view but they where not cheesy or campy at the time when they where made.

[Tyler]

Most people who make fun of Godzilla movies have never actually seen one and are going by preconceived notions. And if they have seen one it's probably a dub, and if they can't take giant monsters serisouly then they're really not going to take that well.

I understand if someone watches the Japanese version and doesn't like it. But some people just can't get past the man in suit thing. I'm not someone who thinks Godzilla needs to be dark and edgy all the time, but I think some of the more open minded cinema goers out there will like the movies if they just watch the original versions and maybe that'll open a gate to half decent dubs and whatnot.

[ghidorasauras]

So is someone gonna make that thread or what? Do I have to do it?

[Living Corpse]

So is someone gonna make that thread or what? Do I have to do it?

Either just do it already or stop bringing it up.

[gatorzilla]

Anyways back on topic-

Box office mojo lists the Star Trek franchise with a total grossing off $1,463,693,272 billion with an average $133,063,025 million per movie (11 total) and i bet if added up all the Godzilla movies total grosses it would be at around that if not more.

My whole point of this topic was to show that while Godzilla is not as big as some of those franchises he certainly can be and its not a low level franchise that nobody knows or cares about like some people on here seem to think. Its still a big franchise and the new LP movie has a chance to make it even bigger!

[Legion1979]

Anyways back on topic-

Box office mojo lists the Star Trek franchise with a total grossing off $1,463,693,272 billion with an average $133,063,025 million per movie (11 total) and i bet if added up all the Godzilla movies total grosses it would be at around that if not more.

I doubt it.

My whole point of this topic was to show that while Godzilla is not as big as some of those franchises he certainly can be and its not a low level franchise that nobody knows or cares about like some people on here seem to think. Its still a big franchise and the new LP movie has a chance to make it even bigger!

I will never understand why Godzilla becoming this big, incredible, mainstream successful franchise is so damn important to some people. It's never going to happen no matter how well the LP film turns out.

[gatorzilla]

^Exhibit A of fans who treat the franchise with negativity

So what if us fans want it to become a big huge successful franchise? That just means more for the franchise and more for us fans and allows the Godzilla fandom to grow and expand so whats the problem with that? We all win

It may not be important to you but its important to us fans who have grown up with it and would love to see our beloved monster and film series treated in the same light as these other franchises.

And what do you mean it wont become successful even if the movie turns out good? If they make a trilogy it could very well become a billion dollar franchise! As long as each movie grossed atleast 500 million. I dont understand that logic at all

[Legion1979]

^Exhibit A of fans who treat the franchise with negativity

So what if us fans want it to become a big huge successful franchise? That just means more for the franchise and more for us fans and allows the Godzilla fandom to grow and expand so whats the problem with that? We all win

If it hasn't happened in 58 years it's not going to happen now. Even if the LP film is successful and makes decent money I don't believe for a second it's going to take the Godzilla franchise and elevate it to a level higher than it's ever been before.

It may not be important to you but its important to us fans who have grown up with it and would love to see our beloved monster and film series treated in the same light as these other franchises.

It won't be. There's too much baggage for this franchise to ever be seen in the same light as other, far more popular American franchises. I've grown up with Godzilla too, for over 25 years. It means a lot to me too. But I learned a very long time ago that the franchise is what it is. Even if the new film turns out really good I don't think the entire mainstream audience is just going to turn around and treat the ENTIRE Godzilla franchise as the greatest damn thing since sliced bread.

And what do you mean it wont become successful even if the movie turns out good? If they make a trilogy it could very well become a billion dollar franchise!

I doubt it.

As long as each movie grossed atleast 500 million.

They probably wont.

I dont understand that logic at all

And I don't understand your logic either, so we're even. Step out of your tiny fan bubble for a little while and observe the real world.

[Carthormerr]

Anyways back on topic-

Box office mojo lists the Star Trek franchise with a total grossing off $1,463,693,272 billion with an average $133,063,025 million per movie (11 total) and i bet if added up all the Godzilla movies total grosses it would be at around that if not more.

My whole point of this topic was to show that while Godzilla is not as big as some of those franchises he certainly can be and its not a low level franchise that nobody knows or cares about like some people on here seem to think. Its still a big franchise and the new LP movie has a chance to make it even bigger!

Godzilla is an acquired taste, and I don't think that will ever change. That's a big reason why I like it so much. The movie with good writing, good effects, etc has a chance to maybe mend the wounds from the GINO saga and be a much higher quality movie, but huge box office? Most likely not. Equal Star Trek? Haha never. A lot of people just can't get on board with the Kaiju genre and with G in particular for different reasons, and it doesn't really matter to me. I'm just glad something new is gonna be produced. More mainstream for G would most likely, like everything else tends to, lead to crappier and crappier quality. Let's leave that to the black eyed peas

[Gojira-Fan]

Box office mojo lists the Star Trek franchise with a total grossing off $1,463,693,272 billion with an average $133,063,025 million per movie (11 total) and i bet if added up all the Godzilla movies total grosses it would be at around that if not more.

If you can get the box office data from all the Godzilla movies, convert the yen to US dollars, and scale for inflation, you could find out.

Too bad there probably aren't any records for the Showa series.

It would be much easier to look at the attendance records of both franchises, however.

[Hellspawn28]

I do wish Toho keep the box office records for the Showa films since they where released internationally in theaters. Not to mention money sales where different back then now. If you adjust for inflation with today's money then movies like The Exorcist would made over 900 million worldwide .

[Gojira-Fan]

^Yeah, but the problem with adjusting box office figures for inflation is that ticket prices generally don't correlate to the inflation. Ticket prices vary from theater to theater anyway, so it can be difficult to gauge.

It would be so much easier if attendance records were kept (which the Japanese seem to do actually, just check the box office records on the main site). Then you can see how many people saw the movie out of the entire population. And you could then put that into a percent, and that is a much better means of comparing the success of older films to films today.

[Mincecraft]

^Exhibit A of fans who treat the franchise with negativity

So what if us fans want it to become a big huge successful franchise? That just means more for the franchise and more for us fans and allows the Godzilla fandom to grow and expand so whats the problem with that? We all win

If it hasn't happened in 58 years it's not going to happen now. Even if the LP film is successful and makes decent money I don't believe for a second it's going to take the Godzilla franchise and elevate it to a level higher than it's ever been before.

It may not be important to you but its important to us fans who have grown up with it and would love to see our beloved monster and film series treated in the same light as these other franchises.

It won't be. There's too much baggage for this franchise to ever be seen in the same light as other, far more popular American franchises. I've grown up with Godzilla too, for over 25 years. It means a lot to me too. But I learned a very long time ago that the franchise is what it is. Even if the new film turns out really good I don't think the entire mainstream audience is just going to turn around and treat the ENTIRE Godzilla franchise as the greatest damn thing since sliced bread.

And what do you mean it wont become successful even if the movie turns out good? If they make a trilogy it could very well become a billion dollar franchise!

I doubt it.

As long as each movie grossed atleast 500 million.

They probably wont.

I dont understand that logic at all

And I don't understand your logic either, so we're even. Step out of your tiny fan bubble for a little while and observe the real world.

Ok, that was an extremely negative view. Even I have room for a little hope. Zilla was gonna be a hit until everyone started telling their friends that it really wasn't Godzilla. Legendary will fix that mistake. After all, miracles do happen (even in the weirdest cases). And observe the real world? No, because reality always kinda sucks.