First off, just to clarify, I didn't mean to say that "I don't try to convince everybody why those characters are bad." I know that's what I typed, but I meant to make the point that I don't try to convince people that those characters ARE bad characters. I don't think all of them are bad characters, whether I like watching them on screen or not is a different point, and all I'm saying is that I'm not the one to try to tell people how they should feel about a certain character. You have every right to like any monster or character you like, and their story, for whatever reasons you feel are applicable.
I'm not telling people how they should feel about a certain character or monster either. I'm talking about it from a critical standpoint, removing all personal attachments and analyzing the characters as a critic. And from a critical standpoint, characters like Minya, King Kong and Frankenstein are pretty damn good characters, because there's more to them than just being a giant lumber behemoth who destroys things. They have personality and heart to them. They're relatable, they're fun to watch, and they change over the course of the film (at least Minya and Frankenstein do, not entirely sure about King Kong).
I can't make myself care for a character that I don't really desire to see in any more movies, and that's why I brought up DAM. you may not care about his characterization in those movies but I do, I look at these monsters throughout the series and judge them as characters that way for the most part.
And I care about the way the monsters I presented as well, but I normally don't do it for the series as a whole. Its better to do that film-by-film. Judging things on a case-by-case basis, not as a whole. One could argue that most of the Showa Godzilla films take place completely separate from one another, and other than films like Ghidorah, The Three-Headed Monster
and Invasion Of The Astro-Monster
being connected, take place in entirely different universes. This is especially true with All Monsters Attack
, where there is no mention of Godzilla or monsters being real. AMA could very well take place in a separate universe altogether, with no connection to the other Showa films. If that's the case, then what's the point of comparing the characters growth in a film that has no connection to the other films?
My point is, judging all fifteen Showa films to one another and comparing character growth over the course of all those films is entirely asinine. It's much better to just compare the characters at the beginning of one film to the end of the same film. That way you get definitive character growth and know it's true.
But you're also generalizing what I said into extremes. I never said I don't want Godzilla films or monster films to be more than just city-smashing, monster battles.
Then you're whole argument for why you don't like Son Of Godzilla
beings to fall apart.
You never just want to watch monster movies just to watch them fight or smash things?
Not any more. I did when I was twelve, but I grew up and realized there are more to those movies than just monsters fighting and smashing things. That kind of stuff gets old and boring after a while. Stories and characters are what makes the good Godzilla films last. And Son Of Godzilla
has that. I didn't like Son Of Godzilla
when I was a kid, but now that I'm older, I can appreciate it more and understand what the film means. As I've said, the older I get, the more I appreciate and love Son Of Godzilla
So if you are so story-driven, how amny Godzilla movies do you actually like?
All of the ones that have good stories and interesting/memorable characters. Godzilla
, Mothra vs. Godzilla
, Ghidorah, The Three-Headed Monster
, Invasion Of The Astro-Monster
, Ebirah, Horror Of The Deep
, Son Of Godzilla
, Godzilla vs. Hedorah
, Godzilla vs. MechaGodzilla
, Terror Of MechaGodzilla
, Godzilla vs. Biollante
are the first ones to come to mind. I'll probably add the Japanese version of King Kong vs. Godzilla
once I see it.
In fact, I enjoy all of the Godzilla films (except for Godzilla: Final Wars
, skreeonk that movie) to a certain extent. It's just a matter of what extent I like it. All of the ones I mentioned above have heart to them and really are more than just a monster movie. Then there are films like Godzilla vs. MechaGodzilla II
and Godzilla vs. Gigan
, which are just fun movies to watch. They're not necessarily well made, but they're enjoyable. Then there are the critically bad Godzilla films like Godzilla vs. Space Godzilla
and All Monsters Attack
, which are bad, but still might have a moment or two that make me smile. But in the end, I'll take the well-made Godzilla movies that had a lot of heart put into them over the Godzilla movies that are simply just enjoyable, because there is more to them than just being enjoyable.
Because most of the plots are pretty bad IMO.
The ones I mentioned above have pretty damn good plots and characters.
What do you mean by this? How many Godzilla movies are there where neither of these two things are happening?
I meant that you might as well skip every bit of the Godzilla movies that doesn't contain a monster in it. Fast forward until the monsters show up. Not skip the movie entirely, but skip until the battles or destruction start. Just completely ignore the plot and characters, which I find unbelievably stupid.
I mean Gigan and Ghidorah >>>> Kamunga and Kamacuras in my opinion.
Now that's just comparing apples and oranges. Those monsters are used for two entirely different purposes and really should not be compared. Of course Gigan and King Ghidorah are cool, but Kumonga and Kamakuras aren't necessarily there to be cool. They're there to service the plot and to tie into the jungle atmosphere of the film while presenting threats to both the human characters and Minya.
Minya: Hate him why... every thing about him I hate. And the end when Godzilla is holding him in the snow is just awful it destrois Godzillas image in my mind
Story: I don´t care about the human story. I just wan´t to see the monster part of the story and when people are talking about them or trying to stop them.
Nothing worse than these kind of childish comments that add nothing to the topic.