Favorite Godzilla Era?

[Showa Gyaos]

Two, Legion already spelled it out, the only reason he stated as to why he doesn't like Son Of Godzilla is because he doesn't like Minya, which is a bullshit reason to hate such a fantastic movie .

Bull crap. Son of Godzilla is awful.

And Minya is plenty reason to hate Son of Godzilla.

WHOA! I've never heard anybody say that. But then again I detest DAM, so this shouldn't surprise me.

[Goji]

And if you really don't like a certain character, someone you simply cannot stand, then that's not childish either. There are people that hate certain characters to an extreme.

I don't consider passionately hating fictional characters to be very mature, to be honest. Especially when it clouds you enough to prevent you from enjoying an otherwise terrific film like Son of Godzilla. And this business with disliking Kumonga...for those reasons...? Give me a break.

Kumonga can't swim!!

Minya is SO annoying!!

There is no threat, therefore, this movie sucks. Didn't'chu know?

[GodzillaSpawn]

And if you really don't like a certain character, someone you simply cannot stand, then that's not childish either. There are people that hate certain characters to an extreme.

I don't consider passionately hating fictional characters to be very mature, to be honest. Especially when it clouds you enough to prevent you from enjoying an otherwise terrific film like Son of Godzilla. And this business with disliking Kumonga...for those reasons...? Give me a break.

What? First of all, it's not like I'm trolling every thread about how much I hate Minya. All I said was I could't stand the movie and by virtue of everybody apparently being in the mindset that if you like the Showa series you must like Son of Godzilla, this conversation just unraveled. Minya exists, Gabara exists, (Japanese)King Kong, (Japanese Frankenstein) Manda exists--I'm not losing sleep over them or trying to convince others why they are bad characters. If you like them more power to you, if you just find them uninteresting, then so be it. I find the continual need to defend said fictional character just as immature. "He doesn't find Minya funny, cute, or by into his well-developed character!? Well he must be a child because everybody over 40 has to love Minya cause we are so mature (and maybe have kids, so seeing a kid monster do dumb innocent things is great)" <--Really though, thats what it's starting to sound like? That's hilarious how much some of you care.

Is it just because he's in a Godzilla movie that I'm supposed to like him for his development? Because I love movies which excels in character development like The Godfather part 1 and 2, Shawshank Redemption, Saving Private Ryan, etc and there are well-developed characters in those films that either I like or other people hate and vice versa. Believe it or not, that's going to happen. People love Darth Vader. I think he's a whiny, arrogant and disillusioned character (though admittedly I liked him before the prequel trilogy alot more). People love Boba Fett because he looks cool. That's their perrogative. Nobody says their oh well you shouldn't like him for that reason. I'm a big Matrix fan, but I think Neo is the one who is boring in that series. I think Agent Smith is far more interesting, yet people are allowed to hate him if he annoys them, they don't like him for his intentions, or whatever reason.

And to answer some of the questions asked by GxG, A) maybe he was transported by the Kilaak? Maybe he does swim and maybe it does look goofy. I guess we'll never know. Also, DAM is a weird film in general since it's so far into the future and Minya apparently doesn't age at all in 33 years, another stupid thing about the character. It was supposed to be the last movie at first, as I'm sure you all know, so it doesn't quite fit as nicely into the puzzle once they made films after that.

And yeah, I watch monster movies to watch battles or cities destroyed. Clearly, there is something wrong with me. Just like I watch Shaw Bros., Jet Li, or Tony Jaa films for the martial art scenes. I know, who does that? Hey, if a kung fu movie happens to havea cool storyline, even better. But it better have good fight scenes that's what I'm watching it for or I won't like it. Sure, when a monster movie is made and the monster isn't quite the evil terrifying thing you think it is (mostly because the monster is protecting something or just trying to survive and is actually a victim) is refreshing here and there. Gorgo and King Kong had that element, I loved the ending of Rodan, even Godzilla 1998 wasn't a menace like its predecessor was in the beginning, and that "Monsters" movie that came out a few years ago made you feel bad for them. But all of them have plenty of destruction in cities or civilized areas before this perspective is realized. And LP's new Godzilla movie, do you really think they are going to give us a movie with Godzilla raising a kid or being a good father? No. Why? Because people (like me) want to watch a giant monster movie for monsters killing monsters, stepping on building, people running away and tripping on their feet, military getting ripped apart, utter carnage and chaos. They know that.

[Shazam14]

I'm going to reiterate what I've said before, and kind of what Nick said as well.

I love all Godzilla films. Even the "bad" ones. Yeah, I can sit down and watch Godzilla's Revenge, Godzilla Vs. Space Godzilla, Godzilla Raids Again, Godzilla: Final Wars, you name it. I can and have sit/sat down and watched them all start to finish. Why? Because I love Godzilla. Love that big charcoal black bastard.

I love all the eras differently. I love them for different reasons. And it's for that reason that I don't have a favorite.

Also, I'm a troll, and underage. That's right, I've been trolling you all the whole time I've been here. Admittedly, I'm not very good at trolling, but it's what I've been doing. And I'm only 11 years old. The pics I post here of that handsome guy? I found them on some support group site for men with large penises.

That felt good to get off my chest.

This is how I feel 100%. I love them all.

[GotengoXGodzilla]

Two, Legion already spelled it out, the only reason he stated as to why he doesn't like Son Of Godzilla is because he doesn't like Minya, which is a bullshit reason to hate such a fantastic movie .

Bull crap. Son of Godzilla is awful.

And Minya is plenty reason to hate Son of Godzilla.

WHOA! I've never heard anybody say that. But then again I detest DAM, so this shouldn't surprise me.

It's Mitchal saying it though. He's just trolling. He's always trolling or making asshole-ish comments.

I wouldn't call someone childish if he only likes monster movies that involve monster battles. That just means that that's the sort of movie he likes.

And if you really don't like a certain character, someone you simply cannot stand, then that's not childish either. There are people that hate certain characters to an extreme.

It's childish to only enjoy monster movies for monster battles and city destruction, because that clouds your judgment of what monster movies are capable of. You're limiting yourself to some great things, because monster movies can be more than just monster battles and city destruction. Just look at Ebirah, Horror Of The Deep, Son Of Godzilla and Godzilla vs. Gigan. All of those movies focus more on the human characters than on the monsters, and would rather tell an interesting story than have a bunch of action. And that's what makes those movies great to watch.

Seriously, you can't tell me "If monsters aren't destroying cities or fighting one another, then I don't want to watch it." doesn't sound childish? You might as well just skip 90% of all Godzilla movies then.

Minya exists, Gabara exists, (Japanese)King Kong, (Japanese Frankenstein) Manda exists

Technically, Gabara does not exist. He was just an imaginary creature thought up by a ten-year old.

I'm not losing sleep over them or trying to convince others why they are bad characters.

Uh, Minya, King Kong and Frankenstein are not bad characters. Minya is funny and developed along with having a distinct character arc, King Kong has well defined character traits that give him a personality, as well as Frankenstein (along with having a tragic story arc to him as well).

Just because you don't like them, doesn't mean they're bad characters. It just means...you don't like them.

maybe he was transported by the Kilaak?

Then how did he get back from Mt. Fuji to Monster Island (after King Ghidorah was defeated) when the Kilaak's were gone? Kumonga knows how to swim.

Also, DAM is a weird film in general since it's so far into the future and Minya apparently doesn't age at all in 33 years

I find it's best to just not question those kinds of things. Don't think about it, just roll with it.

It was supposed to be the last movie at first, as I'm sure you all know, so it doesn't quite fit as nicely into the puzzle once they made films after that.

Nobody ever said we were talking about Destroy All Monsters and All Monsters Attack and Minya's character over the course of all the films. We're simply talking about his character in Son Of Godzilla and how he's used in that movie. I couldn't care less about how Minya's used in DAM or AMA in relation to SoG. All I care about is that Minya's a very well developed character in Son Of Godzilla and works very well for what the film was trying to do.

And yeah, I watch monster movies to watch battles or cities destroyed. Clearly, there is something wrong with me.

And in doing so, you're limiting yourself. There's more to monster movies than just battles and city destruction, just like there's more to kung-fu movies than just martial arts fight scenes. All of the great monster movies and kung-fu movies aspire to be more than just quick cheap thrills.

do you really think they are going to give us a movie with Godzilla raising a kid or being a good father?

You're missing the point of Son Of Godzilla if that's what the movie is boiled down to for you. I don't like Son Of Godzilla because Godzilla raises a child and becomes a father. I enjoy Son Of Godzilla because it's the most well-written Godzilla movie in the franchise, with very well developed characters, monsters who actually have character, fight scenes that actually have meaning in terms of the story instead of just being there to be there, and themes that add depth and meaning to what the creators were doing with the film. If you think Son Of Godzilla is just about softening up Godzilla by having him raise a child, then you're not seeing the big picture.

Because people (like me) want to watch a giant monster movie for monsters killing monsters, stepping on building, people running away and tripping on their feet, military getting ripped apart, utter carnage and chaos. They know that.

And those people should know monster movies can be more than just quick cheap thrills, like the ones you're talking about. Monsters killing each other and city-wide destruction only last so long before they get old and stale. And even when it's new, the thrill of it only lasts so long before the audience forgets about it and moves on. A good story and interesting characters don't move on. Those are the things that last longer and can actually mean something to the viewer.

In other words, I'd much rather have a monster movie with a good story and interesting characters than a monster movie with cool looking monster fights and city destruction. And that's exactly what Son Of Godzilla and a good chunk of the Showa films do.

[GodzillaSpawn]

Okay, GotengoXGodzilla, first off I want to commend you for making your points against mine, no matter how much you disagree with me, in a respectful fashion. Atleast you can put together a constructive argument without generally having to insult or just make some passive aggressive comment, because I don't know why some people act like I just hurt their personal pride.

First off, just to clarify, I didn't mean to say that "I don't try to convince everybody why those characters are bad." I know that's what I typed, but I meant to make the point that I don't try to convince people that those characters ARE bad characters. I don't think all of them are bad characters, whether I like watching them on screen or not is a different point, and all I'm saying is that I'm not the one to try to tell people how they should feel about a certain character. You have every right to like any monster or character you like, and their story, for whatever reasons you feel are applicable.

But at the end of the day, I still don't enjoy this movie. I'm happy you get so much from it. And I did agree with you that the human characters are more interesting than usual, and when they are being attacked from the bugs it's rather enjoyable. And the ending, I agree there. But everything in between just doesn't do it for me. If it's limiting myself because I'd rather watch one of the Godzilla movies where I think the villains/fights are more visually appealing, I think it's faster paced, I like the atmosphere better (location of the battle, the music, etc.) than I'll do that. I've seen all of the godzilla movies and own most of them, so it's not like I'm refusing to even watch it once and be close-minded. I watched it, I enjoyed a little of it, and I found myself not really caring if Minya survived or not. I can't make myself care for a character that I don't really desire to see in any more movies, and that's why I brought up DAM. you may not care about his characterization in those movies but I do, I look at these monsters throughout the series and judge them as characters that way for the most part.

If you see Son of Godzilla as monsters who are more developed than other monsters in the other movies, then that's cool. I'm glad it made an impact for you. Mothra vs. Godzilla made me feel that way for Mothra when she kicked the bucket trying to help humanity and save her egg, even though as a kid I was rooting for Godzilla (and still do), Mothra's sacrifice was a bit touching. Like I stated, the two Rodan monsters choosing to die together was very saddening. But you're also generalizing what I said into extremes. I never said I don't want Godzilla films or monster films to be more than just city-smashing, monster battles. But I still want those things to be in my Godzilla films. This new film coming out, while I'd love for it to be as well-written, haunting, and as acclaimed as the original, I have my expectations in line for atleast an entertaining couple of hours of some good monster action. Again, with the martial arts films, if it's a good story than awesome, but I know why I first wanted to watch it--because I was in the mood to see some kick ass kung fu fights, like Ong-Bak (which has one of the worst plots ever). Many times I watch a new martial arts film and get mad because they spend too much time trying to develop a plot and I just want to see ninjas and monks kicking each other's asses. I love my movies with thick plots, I mean my most anticipated movie this year is "Cloud Atlas" coming out in October, but I'll be watching that for a different purpose than I put in these 1960-70's Godzilla movies.

You never just want to watch monster movies just to watch them fight or smash things? So if you are so story-driven, how amny Godzilla movies do you actually like? Because most of the plots are pretty bad IMO. That isn't why I'm a fan though. I love putting in Godzilla movies while typing articles or drinking beer and just laughing at the campiness or battles or horrible human soap opera's involved (depending on the movie of course). When I want to watch something more plot-driven, well-acted and makes me think I'll watch Inception or something. There are very few Godzilla movies that I enjoy as well-written, drawn-out character screenplays. For me, Godzilla films are entertaining (in general, not all). I like the designs, I like the guy in a rubber suit smashing little houses, and Mothra flying by with strings attached to them, and the repeated absence of logic in many of these films. There's a certain charm about it. And quite frankly, if I want to watch something more serious I'll watch Gojira, the Return of Godzilla, or another film altogether. Son of Godzilla sits on my shelf getting dustier by the day.

Seriously, you can't tell me "If monsters aren't destroying cities or fighting one another, then I don't want to watch it." doesn't sound childish? You might as well just skip 90% of all Godzilla movies then.

What do you mean by this? How many Godzilla movies are there where neither of these two things are happening? Almost every Godzilla movie has these attributes. Sure, there are people elements to it, but they are typically entertaining. Godzilla vs. Gigan, I really like actually. The human cast was interesting. But it also benefits from a kick ass battle at the end with alot of city bashing and perhaps one of Godzilla's most fearsome duo of enemies--I mean Gigan and Ghidorah >>>> Kamunga and Kamacuras in my opinion. I felt like a few of the films in the hesei series had too much crappy human development and it was always the same cliche, soapy love story. It wasn't very affective and more distracting to the film than supportive. Aside from G'85, Biollante, and Destroyah, I didn't care for any of the humans in the films in between.

[pta917]

Minya: Hate him why... every thing about him I hate. And the end when Godzilla is holding him in the snow is just awful it destrois Godzillas image in my mind

Story: I don´t care about the human story. I just wan´t to see the monster part of the story and when people are talking about them or trying to stop them.

[GotengoXGodzilla]

First off, just to clarify, I didn't mean to say that "I don't try to convince everybody why those characters are bad." I know that's what I typed, but I meant to make the point that I don't try to convince people that those characters ARE bad characters. I don't think all of them are bad characters, whether I like watching them on screen or not is a different point, and all I'm saying is that I'm not the one to try to tell people how they should feel about a certain character. You have every right to like any monster or character you like, and their story, for whatever reasons you feel are applicable.

I'm not telling people how they should feel about a certain character or monster either. I'm talking about it from a critical standpoint, removing all personal attachments and analyzing the characters as a critic. And from a critical standpoint, characters like Minya, King Kong and Frankenstein are pretty damn good characters, because there's more to them than just being a giant lumber behemoth who destroys things. They have personality and heart to them. They're relatable, they're fun to watch, and they change over the course of the film (at least Minya and Frankenstein do, not entirely sure about King Kong).

I can't make myself care for a character that I don't really desire to see in any more movies, and that's why I brought up DAM. you may not care about his characterization in those movies but I do, I look at these monsters throughout the series and judge them as characters that way for the most part.

And I care about the way the monsters I presented as well, but I normally don't do it for the series as a whole. Its better to do that film-by-film. Judging things on a case-by-case basis, not as a whole. One could argue that most of the Showa Godzilla films take place completely separate from one another, and other than films like Ghidorah, The Three-Headed Monster and Invasion Of The Astro-Monster being connected, take place in entirely different universes. This is especially true with All Monsters Attack, where there is no mention of Godzilla or monsters being real. AMA could very well take place in a separate universe altogether, with no connection to the other Showa films. If that's the case, then what's the point of comparing the characters growth in a film that has no connection to the other films?

My point is, judging all fifteen Showa films to one another and comparing character growth over the course of all those films is entirely asinine. It's much better to just compare the characters at the beginning of one film to the end of the same film. That way you get definitive character growth and know it's true.

But you're also generalizing what I said into extremes. I never said I don't want Godzilla films or monster films to be more than just city-smashing, monster battles.

Then you're whole argument for why you don't like Son Of Godzilla beings to fall apart.

You never just want to watch monster movies just to watch them fight or smash things?

Not any more. I did when I was twelve, but I grew up and realized there are more to those movies than just monsters fighting and smashing things. That kind of stuff gets old and boring after a while. Stories and characters are what makes the good Godzilla films last. And Son Of Godzilla has that. I didn't like Son Of Godzilla when I was a kid, but now that I'm older, I can appreciate it more and understand what the film means. As I've said, the older I get, the more I appreciate and love Son Of Godzilla.

So if you are so story-driven, how amny Godzilla movies do you actually like?

All of the ones that have good stories and interesting/memorable characters. Godzilla, Mothra vs. Godzilla, Ghidorah, The Three-Headed Monster, Invasion Of The Astro-Monster, Ebirah, Horror Of The Deep, Son Of Godzilla, Godzilla vs. Hedorah, Godzilla vs. MechaGodzilla, Terror Of MechaGodzilla, Godzilla vs. Biollante and GMK are the first ones to come to mind. I'll probably add the Japanese version of King Kong vs. Godzilla once I see it.

In fact, I enjoy all of the Godzilla films (except for Godzilla: Final Wars, skreeonk that movie) to a certain extent. It's just a matter of what extent I like it. All of the ones I mentioned above have heart to them and really are more than just a monster movie. Then there are films like Godzilla vs. MechaGodzilla II and Godzilla vs. Gigan, which are just fun movies to watch. They're not necessarily well made, but they're enjoyable. Then there are the critically bad Godzilla films like Godzilla vs. Space Godzilla and All Monsters Attack, which are bad, but still might have a moment or two that make me smile. But in the end, I'll take the well-made Godzilla movies that had a lot of heart put into them over the Godzilla movies that are simply just enjoyable, because there is more to them than just being enjoyable.

Because most of the plots are pretty bad IMO.

The ones I mentioned above have pretty damn good plots and characters.

What do you mean by this? How many Godzilla movies are there where neither of these two things are happening?

I meant that you might as well skip every bit of the Godzilla movies that doesn't contain a monster in it. Fast forward until the monsters show up. Not skip the movie entirely, but skip until the battles or destruction start. Just completely ignore the plot and characters, which I find unbelievably stupid.

I mean Gigan and Ghidorah >>>> Kamunga and Kamacuras in my opinion.

Now that's just comparing apples and oranges. Those monsters are used for two entirely different purposes and really should not be compared. Of course Gigan and King Ghidorah are cool, but Kumonga and Kamakuras aren't necessarily there to be cool. They're there to service the plot and to tie into the jungle atmosphere of the film while presenting threats to both the human characters and Minya.

Minya: Hate him why... every thing about him I hate. And the end when Godzilla is holding him in the snow is just awful it destrois Godzillas image in my mind

Story: I don´t care about the human story. I just wan´t to see the monster part of the story and when people are talking about them or trying to stop them.

*sigh*

Nothing worse than these kind of childish comments that add nothing to the topic.

[pta917]

Its childish but its true.

[Sydney Aradi]

Minya: Hate him why... every thing about him I hate. And the end when Godzilla is holding him in the snow is just awful it destrois Godzillas image in my mind

Story: I don´t care about the human story. I just wan´t to see the monster part of the story and when people are talking about them or trying to stop them.

Okay Godzilla holding his child in the snow to keep him warm destroys Godzilla's image to you? I personally felt that it was a touching moment (being a parent myself and all). Were you expecting Godzilla to leave the island & let his son freeze to death in the f***ing snow?!

[GotengoXGodzilla]

Its childish but its true.

No, it really isn't true. It's your poorly formed and poorly written opinion, but it's not true. And it's an opinion that I completely disagree with. Minya is a great character, works very well for the role he was given in SoG, it doesn't destroy Godzilla's image, the final scene in the film is fantastic and nearly makes me cry, the story of the main characters is the driving force behind the movie and without it, the film would suffer greatly and wouldn't be nearly as good as it is.

[Gawdziller]

The final image of SoG is one of the most beautiful and everlasting scenes of the entire series.

Sorry for being serious, but it slips out once in a while.

[Living Corpse]

Minya for super secret unlockible fighter in the next game.

Problem?

[Gawdziller]

Minya for super secret unlockible fighter in the next game.

Problem?

Minya should be the most powerful, just to spite the haters. With the one-hit KO fire ring of death.

[DoctorMafune]

While I appreciate the level of thought that's gone into a lot of the comments on this thread, I don't think it's fair or accurate to describe people who disagree with one's opinion as "childish."

People differ in what they like, even as kids, and it's never easy to figure out why one likes what one likes. Cases in point: unlike some who have posted here, my daughter loved the silliness and comedy involved in some of the Showa Godzilla movies (and Minya, in particular) when she was a kid. Later on, it didn't do anything for her, and to the extent that she still liked Godzilla movies at all, she preferred the more serious installments. In contrast, a lot of my friends in Godzilla fandom loved Showa films like Godzilla, King of the Monsters and Godzilla vs. the Thing when they were kids (and still do), and enjoyed Ghidrah the Three-Headed Monster and Son of Godzilla in that phase, too... especially because they had good stories: but specifically disliked the monster humor, and Minya, in particular. And they're hardly alone: look at how Minya fares in G-Fan polls of favorite and least favorite monsters, with votes cast by a lot of adults as well as kids.

I really enjoy Son of Godzilla, and always have... but I don't think people for whom Minya ruins the film, are childish. People like what they like, and age has a limited amount to do with it. Some adults can't enjoy a particular film because of a single actor / actress they find too annoying, or because of Hans Zimmer pounding on the drums, etc. I had a harder time enjoying dinner at an expensive restaurant last night because of one dish that left a bad aftertaste in my mouth. Unfortunate, perhaps... but not childish.

IMO, it's rather ironic for some forum members to keep labeling their opposition as childish, when the lot of us so often get accused of childishness, by people who simply can't understand why adults could enjoy Godzilla movies at all.

It's an easy accusation to make, but rarely a fair one: and often made by people who don't define what constitutes a "childish" position, much less offer any evidence for any such definition.

In fairness to GxG, he did say something about what, in his opinion, would make a position childish: namely (as I understand his perspective), ignoring the stories and character development. Even as kids, a lot of my friends and I enjoyed the stories as well as the monster action, but it is a reasonable proposition that for some viewers, that comes later.

Still, I don't think there's anything childish about people for whom comedic elements in the monster action impair their enjoyment of some of the Showa films. Just different strokes.

[GotengoXGodzilla]

While I appreciate the level of thought that's gone into a lot of the comments on this thread, I don't think it's fair or accurate to describe people who disagree with one's opinion as "childish."

Well, looking specifically at pta917's comments, he gave vague essentially blank statements about why he doesn't like the film. He says he hates Minya, but doesn't say why and says it in a way that invokes that of a young child and something that has been said time and again. Overall, it's the way he says his opinion without support (and how it's so vague and non-descriptive) and proper grammar and spelling in some places that makes his opinion childish.

I really enjoy Son of Godzilla, and always have... but I don't think people for whom Minya ruins the film, are childish.

I guess what I'm trying to say with all of this is, if you're going to dislike Minya, dislike Minya for good reasons. I'm not saying no one can dislike Minya, but I am saying the reasons given so far as to why people dislike Minya have been childish reasons, which are not good reasons.

You want to dislike Minya? That's fine. But if you do, you better a good reason as to why you do, otherwise your opinion mean very little. And this isn't the case with just Minya. It's really the case with everything. People should always have good reasons as to why they like or dislike anything. If they don't, then what's the point of even stating your opinion to other people?

Let me put this whole "childish" thing in perspective. There are things that I dislike for no real reason whatsoever. For me, the big one that comes to mind is The Little Mermaid. I can't stand that movie. Why? No real reason. Just can't. Bad childhood experience I would rather not talk about. However, I'm fully willing to admit that I hate The Little Mermaid for very stupid and childish reasons. That even though I have my reasons, I'm aware those reasons are childish. And I'm saying if people dislike Minya or Son Of Godzilla for similar reasons, they should be willing to admit their reasons are childish as well.

[DoctorMafune]

While I appreciate the level of thought that's gone into a lot of the comments on this thread, I don't think it's fair or accurate to describe people who disagree with one's opinion as "childish."

Well, looking specifically at pta917's comments, he gave vague essentially blank statements about why he doesn't like the film. He says he hates Minya, but doesn't say why and says it in a way that invokes that of a young child and something that has been said time and again. Overall, it's the way he says his opinion without support (and how it's so vague and non-descriptive) and proper grammar and spelling in some places that makes his opinion childish.

I really enjoy Son of Godzilla, and always have... but I don't think people for whom Minya ruins the film, are childish.

I guess what I'm trying to say with all of this is, if you're going to dislike Minya, dislike Minya for good reasons. I'm not saying no one can dislike Minya, but I am saying the reasons given so far as to why people dislike Minya have been childish reasons, which are not good reasons.

You want to dislike Minya? That's fine. But if you do, you better a good reason as to why you do, otherwise your opinion mean very little. And this isn't the case with just Minya. It's really the case with everything. People should always have good reasons as to why they like or dislike anything. If they don't, then what's the point of even stating your opinion to other people?

Let me put this whole "childish" thing in perspective. There are things that I dislike for no real reason whatsoever. For me, the big one that comes to mind is The Little Mermaid. I can't stand that movie. Why? No real reason. Just can't. Bad childhood experience I would rather not talk about. However, I'm fully willing to admit that I hate The Little Mermaid for very stupid and childish reasons. That even though I have my reasons, I'm aware those reasons are childish. And I'm saying if people dislike Minya or Son Of Godzilla for similar reasons, they should be willing to admit their reasons are childish as well.

I'm with you on the principle that people should say something about why they like / dislike what they do... yes, that's part of what makes posts interesting.

One qualifier: There's a lot of good evidence that people like and dislike things for many reasons, some of which they're not consciously aware of. People will know whether they like or dislike something, of course, but they may be making only educated guesses as to exactly why they do. But still, it's a lot more interesting to read considered judgments of why something is good (or crap) than to read blanket, unjustified statements that something is good (or crap).

Anyway, some of what I was responding to in my post was an earlier post by someone else, who derided aversions to Minya as "inane," "juvenile" nonsense, characteristic of younger fans... something that will "go away" once the person who had that reaction "gets older." I've yet to see any evidence that younger fans hate Minya more than older fans. So that seemed both unsupported and unfair.

[GodzillaSpawn]

GotengoXGodzilla, dude for as much as you think I don't appreciate stories in Godzilla movies, my list of favorite Godzilla films almost mirrors yours exactly, with the exception of the one we have been discussing (and I have a guilty pleasure for Godzilla vs. Destroyah because the ending left such an impression on me). Some of them I do like more though: Gojira, Mothra vs. Godzilla, Godzilla vs. Gigan, Godzilla vs. Mecha Godzilla, Biollante, Return of Godzilla, and GMK I like the most because they have that human interest story but it's also got great monster action. Or in the case of Gojira and G'85, very somber destructive moods (which I have always liked). The films that have both are my favorites. If I had to choose which is more important for me, as a Godzilla movie, I'd pick the monsters. And SoG simply doesn't mean much to me in that regard.

I don't want to make it seem like I hate when these movies have a smart or well thought-out plot, in fact it's great. But all I'm saying is that when I'm in the mood to watch a Godzilla movie, I generally start by thinking well what monster fight do I want to watch. Which is going to be the most entertaining to me at this particular time. Because no matter which ones I believe have the best plot, I've seen all of them so many times that now all the movies are great to watch for simple entertainment or while multitasking. There isn't a storyline in the entire series that is complicated to understand or most of the dialogue I can't remember almost word-for-word on the films I like the most. I don't watch Godzilla vs. Gigan or Terror of MechaGodzilla and suddenly get this revelation that I didn't get when I watched it when I was like 15. Even when I was a kid, and Godzilla vs. Destroyah first came out, I had no knowledge of the plot and my comic book guy got me a japanese bootleg with no subtitles whatsoever and I watched it just to see the newest installment and had to piece together the plot for myself, which naturally kind of had a shocking ending for a young kid who is so used to Godzilla coming out triumphant at the end.

We really aren't as far apart as you think we are. The only thing we are on opposite ends of the spectrum of is Minya. That's just going to be the way it is. Others on here, as Dr. Mafune (who should write a book because he's way better at articulating my point than I am) pointed out, claim that I only find him annoying or don't think he's a good character because I'm young or childish; That I'll like him as I "grow up". And to me, I find that surprising because A). I feel like Minya is a character meant for kids to relate to, so in my thinking I would imagine he is/was actually more popular with children than with adults. I mean Godzilla's Revenge, canon or not, was made for children to stand up to bullies I suppose and Minya was the representation of that. And B). there is a bit of irony involved with calling people immature or childish when it comes to anything related to the Godzilla series. It's not exactly the most adult-oriented franchise, even by geek standards. Like I said earlier, people are getting personal over giant rubber costume dinosaur movies. People just need to chill and get some fresh air.

I can't say anything more. All I can reinforce to you is that I never said it was a bad film, but I dislike it. You've defended it being a good film and I didn't try to persuade you otherwise. We've established that I don't care for one of the main monster characters and I don't really care for the villains. I admit I don't really watch the movies just for the human story, I don't hate them either, I just watch specific ones based on the monster scenes I like. I don't know about you, but I've never in my life been like "oh, I want to watch the japanese people fight the Xilians, let me watch Monster Zero" or I want to watch that whole hippie/mafia fiasco let me watch Space Godzilla". The monsters never ever take a backseat for me. I'm simply like okay I want to watch Godzilla fight Ghidrah--I can choose from Ghidrah, Monster Zero, Destroy All Monsters, Gigan, GvKG '92, what am I in the mood for? You and I put in a Godzilla movie to watch probably for different reasons.

And by the way I like Little Mermaid, but I do like The Lion King and Aladdin more. Way more. Now, if you told me you didn't like Lion King than I'd probably have a problem with it.

[Cookson]

This is a hard one for me. It's between the 2000 and Showa eras. I simply haven't watchted the Heisei movies in awhile to include them right now. I need a refresh. I'd say currently, probably the 2000 series as they are much more fresher in my head right now, and my rewatches haven't proven that wrong as I've been enjoying all of them. Also, it has my favorite G suit from GxMG.

[pta917]

Its childish but its true.

No, it really isn't true. It's your poorly formed and poorly written opinion, but it's not true. And it's an opinion that I completely disagree with. Minya is a great character, works very well for the role he was given in SoG, it doesn't destroy Godzilla's image, the final scene in the film is fantastic and nearly makes me cry, the story of the main characters is the driving force behind the movie and without it, the film would suffer greatly and wouldn't be nearly as good as it is.

Thats the thing its a sensetive scene and I don't like those scenes.